Who still has confidence in this staff?

[NorthwoodHusker]

I prefer ,oh,just anything lighter when its gone too far, except all those tasteless foods, low calerie,no sugar, anybody ever try those?

 

[Hunchback Johnny]

I like to see discussion, and different viewpoints, but when it ends up with a bunch of name calling and people wanting to meet in an alley, then not much good comes of a thread. No need to call each other "Super Fine Gentlemen", morons, idiots, etc. People have different viewpoints & biases, and it's ok to disagree, and still be civil.......

Wull I'll be damned...a peacenik marine.... there's something oxymoronic about that. And no I didn't call you a moron jarhead!

 

[HuskerinTampa]

I can answer the OP's question in one word - me.

 

[Hunchback Johnny]

I can answer the OP's question in one word - me.

Boom. That's what I'm im talkin about!

 

[Jarhead Husker]

Wull I'll be damned...a peacenik marine.... there's something oxymoronic about that. And no I didn't call you a moron jarhead!

Shhhh....If it gets out, my reputation will be tarnished......and, as far as moron goes, I've been called worse, just not today....

 

[redfred]

Wull I'll be damned...a peacenik marine.... there's something oxymoronic about that. And no I didn't call you a moron jarhead!

on my part....but I just had to throw this out there....

I've known a fair amount of military people who were peaceniks, and were willing to die to keep the peace. They just felt peace isn't always had by being a pacifist. On a much smaller scale I love football players who are nasty on the field, but I want it to end there. I also want the nasty to be a fair encounter.

Sorry for the detour.

 

[GIJoeRed]

Don’t be a *****, if you’ve got something to say to me, say it.

My Dad played for Nebraska and I’m sure he took bigger craps than you. As I’m his Son, and was a D1 college wrestler (started for 2 years, 190 and Heavyweight ), I was also a good football player but chose to wrestle in college instead of play football. The world doesn’t need anymore internet tough guys but it doesn’t need anymore passive aggressive "Super Fine Gentlemen" either.

I look forward to you continuing to run your mouth without having the balls to address me directly.

And any time you wish to quit running your Frost sucker and address me directly I will be so much more than happy to oblige your delusions of grandeur.

Serious ?, which one of you is Bratt Pitt, and which one is Ed Norton?

 

[Cigarman]

My older brothers used to try and put the figure four leg lock on me. Crap that hurt. Mom used to come in and threaten them with bodily harm if they didn't stop.

As the youngest and a girl, I was an expert at crocodile tears to get them in trouble. Course every time, M&D left, then I'd catch a ration of crap for getting them in trouble. It was a vicious cycle. LOL!

My sister had four big brothers. We are all over 6'4" and were a tough lot in the day. We used to make my sisters boy friends duck walk around the house when they came over. She was not a happy camper. We seriously hampered her dating life. She came out ok though. Has a nice husband, but still reminds us about how rotten we were.

 

[Uenth]

My sister had four big brothers. We are all over 6'4" and were a tough lot in the day. We used to make my sisters boy friends duck walk around the house when they came over. She was not a happy camper. We seriously hampered her dating life. She came out ok though. Has a nice husband, but still reminds us about how rotten we were.

Yup, I give them crap from time to time about all the lousy things they used to do to me. Some of them they don't even remember -- I do though and will NEVER forget -- too much fun to give them crap about it.

 

[GIJoeRed]

Yup, I give them crap from time to time about all the lousy things they used to do to me. Some of them they don't even remember -- I do though and will NEVER forget -- too much fun to give them crap about.

Men remember, hopefully, anniversaries/birthdays. You know...really, really important things. Women remember EVERYTHING since time

 

[bshirt]

I agree, but most of the issue is the lack of depth and talent. Frost R/S most of his first true recruiting class. There will be a lot of young players playing next year but man they are talented and will provide depth. Yes his coaching has been head scratching at times, but even I'll say this, AM shouldn't have to be told not to run out of bounds. He should know that. He is playing big time college ball. The game is tied and the worst that will happen is you go to OT. The only time he should be running out of bounds is if he gets us into or are already in FG range. At some point these guys have to play smart. If every time a coach has to call a time out to remind his players of this fact then it's not a coaching issue. However knowing it might be an issue, it's always better to err on the side of caution to remind them so we do goto OT.

Damn fine post sir. HCSF has his hands full to be sure.

 

[bshirt]

If it's totally on him, I guess he doesn't need assistants.

The 3-4 sux azz for one, IMO, and Chins didn't put ANY pressure on Stanley all frigging game for two, and DeWitt's STs is the worst NU has had in God knows how long.

That time management thing people want to blame SF on was all AM for going out of bounds.

What SF mostly needs to own is not playing McCaffrey.

SF gambles on 4th downs when he's within FG range, he should gamble with going with a guy that doesn't hesitate to take action. That's not AM; he hangs onto the ball, and hangs onto the ball....next thing you know, it's 2nd and 12/14/17, whatever.

The other thing SF should have done at a minimum, and that was get our asses out of our deep end to at least the 30-40 to turn field advantage back to us after punts.

But it's not ALL on SF.

Exactly. He's got things to learn but LOTS of the problems aren't nearly due to only him. As I see it, special teams is by far our biggest problem that desperately needs help. God help us as it's a monster sized disaster.

"But" the Wisconsin game still has me mostly happy. Our Oline play, while of course not great is still getting wayyyyyy better. They played Iowa almost 50/50 too. Maybe soon there won't be a need to throw endless horizontal passes.

 

[bshirt]

Your comments about TO are quite true; however you need to add some caveats that don't apply to HCSF at this point. TO was HC of DONU for 25 years. In that span of 25 years, he never had less than a 9 win season and he took us to a Bowl Game every single year. In SF's 2 year tenure as HC of DONU, he's had a 4 win season and a 5 win season. We didn't go bowling last year and, barring a miracle, we ain't going bowling again this year. The lack of a bowl game is fine with me as we don't deserve it. I know, I know, the team needs the extra practices. Sorry, they just don't deserve the dubious honor of going to a low tier bowl, IMO.

Yes, TO reinvented his coaching style several times over the years. He managed to do it while still winning a minimum of 9 games and taking his team to a Bowl Game. I'm sorry, there's just no room for comparison between the two.

I really don't want to hear any more about the players he inherited. Frost needed to put his big boy pants on and make due with what he had. Yippers, he should recruit for the style he wants to play in the future but he was trying to put square pegs in a round hole and it just didn't work. Better to win using the talent and style they can play in, while planning on going forward in a new direction. Based on the comments here and what I hear around GI, SF has burned up a whole lot of good will. Should his win/loss record improve, people have short memories. If it doesn't, the calls for his head will be loud and long. That would be a darn shame. I think Frost could be a good fit in the long term, we were damn spoiled over the Devaney/Osborne years and Husker Nation is damn impatient.

That's some good points sir. However, TO took over a NU program that got two NCs in the last three years of Devaney. SF took over Smiling Mike's three years......and, well you know the difference.

 

[bshirt]

Osborne was largely responsible for acquiring that National Championship level talent before he became head coach. He also, as an assistant, made that offense into what it was. When he took over, it was almost as much his team as it was Devaneys. Osborne made that team and he owned it immediately. He recognized when players were struggling and replaced them when needed, no matter who they were or what the situation. And he changed both offensive identity (1981) and defensive identity (1992) that resulted in one of the most dominant runs in sports history.

He may have just gotten lucky, or maybe he was just a great leader. From what I witnessed, I tend to believe the latter.

Well no, I don't think so.

Devaney was a very strong willed and superb HC. No, TO was not more responsible than the other coaches under Devaney. Let's not forget Devaney took over a NU program that was about what it is now. A big bucket of sh*t. Something TO never had to deal with (to say the least).

And Devaney won big-time. And it didn't take him 22 years to get there.

Hey, TO was GREAT!! But Devaney was a master.

 

[bshirt]

Let me give you me take on why Frost keeps calling those sideline or swing passes. Keep in mind I have no real inside knowledge of Frost's scheme or his specific X's and O's, this is merely my opinion on why I think Frost does what he does:

Those swing passes/throws to the sideline serve the same function as Iso runs between the 1 and 2 holes, the difference being the players being affected on defense.

When Tom Osborne would run Iso, the goal was always always to get the LBs to come up to stuff the run and then pick his spots to play-action pass over their heads. These swing passes serve the same function, but the effect is on the free and strong safety. The goal is to run these swing passes and get the secondary to come up on these in anticipation of making a great defensive play, but instead the pass goes over the top to a wide open WR because the secondary has a bust in their coverage. Also, these swing passes are (usually) safe throws that can act as an extension of a running game. The key concept is to get the defense running laterally to try and alter their alignment making opening holes for running backs wider and easier to find/run through. That's the "why" of running these swing passes.

This concept was wildly successful at Oregon and UCF but for different reasons. It was so effective at Oregon because the Ducks were the team that for the most part, brought full time, uptempo offense to P5 college football and just about every team really wasn't ready for it. At UCF, defenders aren't maybe as good (theoretically) as the are on a team in a P5 conference. There is a wider discrepancy in talent so exploiting that is easier.

At Nebraska, Frost has two things going against him: 1) Everybody knows Oregon's concepts and have caught up to them, and 2) There is a much higher level of physicality in the BIG than there ever was at UCF or even in the Pac 12. When opponents know your schemes and concepts, but you still execute, you're going to have a great team. When opponents hone in on what you're doing, and you're having trouble executing, you get Nebraska in 2019.

Getting back to the swing passes, in this poster's estimation the problem is not that we're running swing passes, but the we're running too many of them and not doing enough intermediate throwing (7-12 yards) downfield.

The bulk of the offense I've seen from Nebraska this season is:

1. Inside Zone
2. Outside Zone
3. Swing Passes
4. QB Runs

I'd need to look at the actual numbers to confirm, but based off of what I have seen, we don't throw the ball downfield nearly enough. Is that because Adrian Martinez can't see the field well enough to make those plays? Is he hurt as Damon Benning said? Is/are there distractions? Those are answers I don't have. But what I do know is that Frost may have to take a long hard look at some of his schemes and do some real analysis as to whether they are worth keeping.

Wow. What a great post. I couldn't possibly agree more. The Big10 is indeed a totally different animal.

 

[bshirt]

I see some on this board trying to compare Frost with Saban and Osborne. These comparisons are flawed. TO had been on the NU staff for nearly two decades and knew every team in the Big 8 like the back of his hand. SF and no one on his staff has ever coached or even played in the Big10. They are still learning what Big10 football is all about and the trends of the coaches. Saban had been a HC for many years and took over a program that ran systems similar to his. His experience allowed him to avoid learning mistakes that Frost is making and the existing players were suited for his schemes. Frost on the other hand is a baby coach, he is learning on the run. He runs an ulnique system that takes players with unique skills. Half the players on his D were also recruited for a 4-3 system.

Frost is missing some pieces he needs to make his system work. We need to be patient while he recruits those difference makers and learns how to coach in the Big10.

Bingo.

 

[bshirt]

Haha.....geesh, there's a LOT of damn good posts here. Thanks to you all!

 

[kfr1631]

That's some good points sir. However, TO took over a NU program that got two NCs in the last three years of Devaney. SF took over Smiling Mike's three years......and, well you know the difference.

Just a heads up bshirt, Uenth is a women.

 

[Uenth]

Just a heads up bshirt, Uenth is a women.

I don't take offense. But thanks!

 

[GIJoeRed]

Just a heads up bshirt, Uenth is a women.

And also, don't call me Francis.