Who still has confidence in this staff?

[Cigarman]

Again, calling other members clowns, twits, and morons is....well...very unbecoming.

Back on point. Jarhead brought up the Keller/Ganz situation from a few years ago. I think sometimes coaches can be blinded by measurables. The 6'3 and 6'4 guys with the strong arm that can throw the ball through the swinging tire (metaphorically speaking) in drills can cloud a coaches judgement. Jeff George comes to mind. All the physical tools in the world but a complete head case in crunch time. Sometimes us arm chair QBs are watching the game and thinking "Damn, every time that guy is in the game good things happen"...It's all about intangibles and improvisational skills. Meanwhile Head Coach, who spends countless hours watching the Big Guy throwing lasers in practice is thinking "I better get Big Guy back in there, he can throw the deep ball." Right now Martinez is the "Big Guy" that Coach Frost is afraid to be without. He's taller, stronger, and has a better arm than anyone else in the room. But he is also slow to react, and does not see the field very well. How many times did we hear the stadium roar because there was a lane available to run for 20 plus yards and Martinez would hold it and hold it and hold it before tossing it out of bounds because he couldn't find the open receiver.

It's possible sometimes the fans can see the big picture and positive results with clearer vision than the coach that has been preparing "his guy" all week. But what do I know...I just watch football on Saturday afternoons...

First of all, if you post moronic posts and continue to post them over and over, people will think you are a moron.

Second your assumptions are incorrect. Martinez is not taller or have an edge physically. If you go back and read the preseason posts you will find that I posted that McCaffrey was faster, quicker, threw better on the run and had better touch on the ball than Martinez. I said if he could pick up the system, he would be pressing Martinez for the start by mid season. I was told by the some of the same clown who want Martinez benched now that I was an idiot, Martinez was a Heisman Candidate.

The fact is Frost decided to Redshirt LM. I agree with that decision. It shows he has the long run as a priority. That Redshirt decision made him the 3rd string QB. That means he gets next to zero reps with the starters. That means when they are going over the game strategy with the offense, he is on the scout team working against the defense. He has not been able to build chemistry with the receivers. He may have a dozen or two plays down but is no way ready to play a game against a ranked opponent. The coach needs to be able to call any play and know the QB can run it. This is nothing like the Keller Gantz situation.

Martinez made a couple of mistakes. You expect something different? I watched Tom Brady make a couple on Sunday too. This guy is talented enough that he was in the Heisman picture. Frost keeps this under wraps but I would bet that Martinez was playing injured most of the season. It is hard to run on a bad leg. When every step means pain it takes the aggression out of you. What do you want him to do if no receivers are open? You either throw it away or throw it up for grabs.

Two good plays does not make you a starter. I hope he continues to do good when he gets his chances. If he can play like that as a starter we will never lose a game and won't need a punter. However, as we have seen with AM, once the coaches see your skill sets, they make a game plan to counter them. I watched Verdal and he looked good on spot duty too. When it came to playing a game he was not so good.

These coaches make a lot of money for what they do. I will take their judgement over some arm chair QB who thinks he is expert because his dad played football.

 

[OhioHusker]

First of all, if you post moronic posts and continue to post them over and over, people will think you are a moron.

Second your assumptions are incorrect. Martinez is not taller or have an edge physically. If you go back and read the preseason posts you will find that I posted that McCaffrey was faster, quicker, threw better on the run and had better touch on the ball than Martinez. I said if he could pick up the system, he would be pressing Martinez for the start by mid season. I was told by the some of the same clown who want Martinez benched now that I was an idiot, Martinez was a Heisman Candidate.

The fact is Frost decided to Redshirt LM. I agree with that decision. It shows he has the long run as a priority. That Redshirt decision made him the 3rd string QB. That means he gets next to zero reps with the starters. That means when they are going over the game strategy with the offense, he is on the scout team working against the defense. He has not been able to build chemistry with the receivers. He may have a dozen or two plays down but is no way ready to play a game against a ranked opponent. The coach needs to be able to call any play and know the QB can run it. This is nothing like the Keller Gantz situation.

Martinez made a couple of mistakes. You expect something different? I watched Tom Brady make a couple on Sunday too. This guy is talented enough that he was in the Heisman picture. Frost keeps this under wraps but I would bet that Martinez was playing injured most of the season. It is hard to run on a bad leg. When every step means pain it takes the aggression out of you. What do you want him to do if no receivers are open? You either throw it away or throw it up for grabs.

Two good plays does not make you a starter. I hope he continues to do good when he gets his chances. If he can play like that as a starter we will never lose a game and won't need a punter. However, as we have seen with AM, once the coaches see your skill sets, they make a game plan to counter them. I watched Verdal and he looked good on spot duty too. When it came to playing a game he was not so good.

These coaches make a lot of money for what they do. I will take their judgement over some arm chair QB who thinks he is expert because his dad played football.

Couple of mistakes? Super hot take from a super hot poster.

 

[OhioHusker]

I will take their judgement over some arm chair QB who thinks he is expert because his dad played football.

Don’t be a *****, if you’ve got something to say to me, say it.

My Dad played for Nebraska and I’m sure he took bigger craps than you. As I’m his Son, and was a D1 college wrestler (started for 2 years, 190 and Heavyweight ), I was also a good football player but chose to wrestle in college instead of play football. The world doesn’t need anymore internet tough guys but it doesn’t need anymore passive aggressive "Super Fine Gentlemen" either.

I look forward to you continuing to run your mouth without having the balls to address me directly.

And any time you wish to quit running your Frost sucker and address me directly I will be so much more than happy to oblige your delusions of grandeur.

 

[Cigarman]

Don’t be a *****, if you’ve got something to say to me say it.

My Dad played for Nebraska and I’m sure he took bigger craps than you. As I’m his Son, and was a D1 college wrestler (started for 2 years, 190 and Heavyweight ), I look forward to you continuing to run your mouth without having the balls to address me directly.

And any time you wish to quit running your Frost sucker and address me directly I will be so much more than happy to oblige your delusions of grandeur.

You claim to be a wrestler. Did you win every match?

 

[OhioHusker]

You claim to be a wrestler. Did you win every match?

I certainly did not. I was a fairly average college wrestler. But considering the beasts that I wrestled on a daily basis, I’m guessing you would run to the ladies room in lieu of running your ducking mouth to my face.

 

[Hunchback Johnny]

Second your assumptions are incorrect. Martinez is not taller or have an edge physically. If you go back and read the preseason posts you will find that I posted that McCaffrey was faster, quicker, threw better on the run and had better touch on the ball than Martinez. I said if he could pick up the system, he would be pressing Martinez for the start by mid season. I was told by the some of the same clown who want Martinez benched now that I was an idiot, Martinez was a Heisman Candidate.

Martinez made a couple of mistakes.

Despite your expert evaluation of McCaffrey before he played a down this year everyone else in Huskerland knew he was redshirting unless something crazy happened with injuries.

This left Martinez, Bunch and Vedral. Martinez is at least an inch taller and 15-20 lbs heavier than both. Full disclosure here I checked two different sites and the weight for Martinez ranged from 205-225. Maybe the 205 was his freshman year. He looks much bigger now. Martinez definitely has a stronger arm than either Bunch or Vedral...even with a bum shoulder.

Hope you're right about McCaffrey's passing ability. He didn't throw much in games and when he did I was less than impressed. Maybe with more opportunities I'll have a different view. Man I love when he takes off running though! Easily the best runner of the bunch. I hope his passing will be more effective because the D is respecting his wheels.

Time will tell. Personally I would love to see Luke take over and have a lot more "run" in the RPO.

One more thing....Your quote "Martinez made a couple of mistakes" sounds like "some people did something"....a little more detail and context is required. Martinez really struggled this year. It pains me to say it because I really like the young man. The Husker QB has an extremely heavy weight on his shoulders.

 

[OhioHusker]

Despite your expert evaluation of McCaffrey before he played a down this year everyone else in Huskerland knew he was redshirting unless something crazy happened with injuries.

This left Martinez, Bunch and Vedral. Martinez is at least an inch taller and 15-20 lbs heavier than both. Full disclosure here I checked two different sites and the weight for Martinez ranged from 205-225. Maybe the 205 was his freshman year. He looks much bigger now. Martinez definitely has a stronger arm than either Bunch or Vedral...even with a bum shoulder.

Hope you're right about McCaffrey's passing ability. He didn't throw much in games and when he did I was less than impressed. Maybe with more opportunities I'll have a different view. Man I love when he takes off running though! Easily the best runner of the bunch. I hope his passing will be more effective because the D is respecting his wheels.

Time will tell. Personally I would love to see Luke take over and have a lot more "run" in the RPO.

One more thing....Your quote "Martinez made a couple of mistakes" sounds like "some people did something"....a little more detail and context is required. Martinez really struggled this year. It pains me to say it because I really like the young man. The Husker QB has an extremely heavy weight on his shoulders.

He sounds like Omar and probably looks like her too.

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

Luke doesnt quite have the zip yet, but he's also thin yet.
Thats an easy fix.

 

[Cigarman]

I certainly did not. I was a fairly average college wrestler. But considering the beasts that I wrestled on a daily basis, I’m guessing you would run to the ladies room in lieu of running your ducking mouth to my face.

You lost. Using the same standards you have for the football team. You must have been out of shape, had a bad attitude, didn't know the basics, were stupid, was lazy and poorly coached. You should have been benched and a freshman given your slot.

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

You lost. Using the same standards you have for the football team. You must have been out of shape, had a bad attitude, didn't know the basics, were stupid, was lazy and poorly coached. You should have been benched and a freshman given your slot.

Hey, thats a crappy attitude

 

[Cigarman]

Hey, thats a crappy attitude

I'm an expert on wrestling. My dad wrestled in middle school and I put the claw on my sister. .

 

[LinvingProog]

I have a new name for some of you (and me). You are Frost cultists. Intervention is the only cure.

 

[Uenth]

I'm an expert on wrestling. My dad wrestled in middle school and I put the claw on my sister. .

My older brothers used to try and put the figure four leg lock on me. Crap that hurt. Mom used to come in and threaten them with bodily harm if they didn't stop.

As the youngest and a girl, I was an expert at crocodile tears to get them in trouble. Course every time, M&D left, then I'd catch a ration of crap for getting them in trouble. It was a vicious cycle. LOL!

 

[Hunchback Johnny]

I have a new name for some of you (and me). You are Frost cultists. Intervention is the only cure.

FC in da house!

 

[cornboy_1999]

This whole thread needs to be locked. My only statement on this matter is the culture that Riley instilled while he was here was a lazy no fight attitude. To come down on Frost after year two is ridiculous. The attrition Frost saw because of the mass exodus of Riley players is a problem but speaks to Riley’s culture. If we keep this attitude and don’t give our coaches time we will become the next Texas A&M which is a coaching carousel. To change a lazy, lack of toughness culture takes time.

 

[LinvingProog]

This whole thread needs to be locked. My only statement on this matter is the culture that Riley instilled while he was here was a lazy no fight attitude. To come down on Frost after year two is ridiculous. The attrition Frost saw because of the mass exodus of Riley players is a problem but speaks to Riley’s culture. If we keep this attitude and don’t give our coaches time we will become the next Texas A&M which is a coaching carousel. To change a lazy, lack of toughness culture takes time.

I agree with your points about Frost and Riley. But never understood the logic of locking any thread. They usually die on their own. Of course the site administrator may see that the comments are becoming personal attacks and close it for that reason and I have no argument with that.

 

[LinvingProog]

My older brothers used to try and put the figure four leg lock on me. Crap that hurt. Mom used to come in and threaten them with bodily harm if they didn't stop.

As the youngest and a girl, I was an expert at crocodile tears to get them in trouble. Course every time, M&D left, then I'd catch a ration of crap for getting them in trouble. It was a vicious cycle. LOL!

My daughter had two older brothers and they were brutal to her at times. We protected her as much as possible, as parents would, but it made her as tough as nails and to this day, I pity the man that crosses her.

 

[Uenth]

My daughter had two older brothers and they were brutal to her at times. We protected her as much as possible, as parents would, but it made her as tough as nails and to this day, I pity the man that crosses her.

That's a fact, Jack.

In other threads, I've posted about breaking a guy's arm, when I was 21, because he kicked my dog (undeservedly so--dog kicking) and then flipping the plate of bbq rib bones on a guy's white shirt and pants when he thought he was going to flip them on my clothes. I absolutely take no Baby Poop off anyone. I don't look for trouble but if it crosses my path, I will stand up for myself, my hub, dogs, property, whatever. It absolutely goes back to having 3 older brothers that used to be the snot out of me just because they could.

EDIT: The other side of that coin was that if they saw anybody else even look like they were going to lay a finger on me, that person was guaranteed to be a world of hurt. I was their punching bag, not the worlds. Brothers. Can't live with them, can't live without them! We laugh about that crap now when we get together.

 

[Jarhead Husker]

I agree with your points about Frost and Riley. But never understood the logic of locking any thread. They usually die on their own. Of course the site administrator may see that the comments are becoming personal attacks and close it for that reason and I have no argument with that.

I like to see discussion, and different viewpoints, but when it ends up with a bunch of name calling and people wanting to meet in an alley, then not much good comes of a thread. No need to call each other "Super Fine Gentlemen", morons, idiots, etc. People have different viewpoints & biases, and it's ok to disagree, and still be civil.......

 

[LinvingProog]

I like to see discussion, and different viewpoints, but when it ends up with a bunch of name calling and people wanting to meet in an alley, then not much good comes of a thread. No need to call each other "Super Fine Gentlemen", morons, idiots, etc. People have different viewpoints & biases, and it's ok to disagree, and still be civil.......

As a Frost cultist, I agree.