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Of course. My opinion has been changed several times on this as more information has become available.
How true, the so called facts on this virus are all over the board. Some people seem intent on making this out as another plague. Inflating death numbers, exaggerating dangers without honest documentation and demonizing anyone who questions their flawed evaluations. In truth the shutdown has done far more harm than the virus. Half truths and opinions pushed by some in the media have made people fear for their lives and acting irrational. I would like to see politics removed and honest data portrayed.
 
You shouldn't debate it. I had covid. I know what my Dr.s said. They said all cases of flu can cause myocarditis. I believe in checking with their sources reporters have already said many B1G schools have said none of their athletes have had myocarditis. Yes I was tested for it. I was good.

Mayo Clinic Cardio Doc already caused the report BS. You know Mayo Clinic #1 hospital system in the world. If it helps my Doc was at the Cleveland Clinic. #2 hospital in the world and #1 heart hospital in the world.

I learned a lot in the hospital. I was there not because of Covid, but becasue no one would see me with an unrelated issue that got really bad. Most Dr. offices here won't allow you in because of covid. Depending on the office I had to wait 30 or 45 days without symptoms. I am a little sensitive about all of the garbage out there.

Don't get the flu....or mono. And you're right, lot's of garbage out there.
 
One thing to keep in mind about the experts is when they estimate future death rates, infection rates, etc. They use models and projections - but it is a "novel" virus - so expecting them to be exactly right is not understanding how science actually works. They typically give ranges and more often that not what happens is within the ranges. It just does not get covered by media well (and that goes for all media) which causes confusion later.
One thing I am pretty certain is there will not be a vacaine by Nov 1. There might be an approved one by Jan 1 - but it won't really be available for the average joe (non-high risk) until March 2021 or later.
 
As I was driving home today from an appointment, I heard on the radio that Senator Klobuchar had some days back called the president of the University of Minnesota urging the shutdown of B1G football. Of course, we know the Michigan governor's feelings about this.

Then I saw this tonight...


If this play/not play argument wasn't political a few weeks ago (and I believe it was, considering the Yahoo Sports article in June about Kevin Warren), it certainly is now.
 
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I’m a 24 year Military Medical Professional that has traveled the world...We come into contact with Corona Viruses all the time...A really bad one will get a ship of young people sick. We deal with it and press on. We sent the Comfort up to NY to help Cuomo. They received Zero...Patients. A state of the art floating hospital that was willing to take on all the sick. Why No? Politics. My guys came back pissed but learned a lesson. I’m very in the know on how this stuff goes down. I’m tired of keeping my mouth shut about how the left is destroying our Country. Censorship if you speak up, Censorship if you don’t agree, Censorship if you are a Patriot. F***k That! I bleed the Flag and I have friends that did More! This crap needs to end! We are going down a road we DON’T want to travel. I’m sick and tired of the anti Patriotism in the Greatest Country in the world. We are 20 years removed from the worst terrorist attack on our home soil. But this generation is oppressed, we are systemically racist, and the white male is at fault. WTF?

Rant over.
 
Remove my post...I’m done. Any Censorship of any kind. I don’t want to be a part of. It’s very Un American.

Take a step back and think about it. Most of these threads fizzle out. Trying to Censor Americans is the worst thing you can do. Name another Country with the 1st Amendment? What’s the worse that can happen on here? Someone gets their feelings hurt.

See how weak we are as a Country? Words now hurt people. We keep going down that road.

That is a road I’ve witnessed and don’t want any part of.

As I contemplate retirement...I may just start a Nebraska Football Website where you can say whatever you want.

I’m tired of the Censorship. It’s Un-American.
 
Remove my post...I’m done. Any Censorship of any kind. I don’t want to be a part of. It’s very Un American.

Take a step back and think about it. Most of these threads fizzle out. Trying to Censor Americans is the worst thing you can do. Name another Country with the 1st Amendment? What’s the worse that can happen on here? Someone gets their feelings hurt.

See how weak we are as a Country? Words now hurt people. We keep going down that road.

That is a road I’ve witnessed and don’t want any part of.

As I contemplate retirement...I may just start a Nebraska Football Website where you can say whatever you want.

I’m tired of the Censorship. It’s Un-American.

You are not wrong and I would join your website in a heartbeat
 
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Speaking of Covid, did you hear the one about the Memphis woman who received a letter from the health authorities in August saying she had tested positive and needed to self-isolate?

Two problems with that. First, the test was performed two months earlier. So much for letting people know in a timely manner. Second, she DIED a half year earlier in February! (She'll probably vote this fall. Sorry--off-topic.) I'll bet crap like this happens more often than we'd like to think.
 
We are straddling the line on politics here. Political posts are not going to be allowed and we will begin to remove posts that involve politics if need be. This is a Covid thread that will remain non-political.

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It crossed over into political with Nebr Sailor's posts. I'm tired of the constant liberal bashing. I can only imagine the furor if I, or someone else, were to post something about Neo-Cons. The fur would fly.
 
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One more post before I'm either kicked off or leave. I hate politics and have never even followed it closely. Mostly because it never seems to matter which party in control of white House. My life doesn't change much. We're all supposed to be americans for f's sake. BUT, you start taking away things I care about like husker football for political reasons and we got big problems. This is supposed to be opening gameday and it's not and it really pisses me off. And don't tell me it's because of some freaking virus. There are college football games today between teams with a lot less money and resources than the big ten has. I don't see how anyone who calls themselves a husker fan can be ok with not playing right now while almost everyone else does....
 
As I was driving home today from an appointment, I heard on the radio that Senator Klobuchar had some days back called the president of the University of Minnesota urging the shutdown of B1G football. Of course, we know the Michigan governor's feelings about this.

Then I saw this tonight...


If this play/not play argument wasn't political a few weeks ago (and I believe it was, considering the Yahoo Sports article in June about Kevin Warren), it certainly is now.

I agree. Let's keep the discussion based on facts:

AND positive COVID tests are NOT illnesses
 
Let me try to steer this back to Covid-19

I listened to an episode on NPR today that was very informative. Don't come to the conclusion it was a dunning by liberals.

It was an interview with a Dr, from UNC, who was instrumental in the development of Remdesivir. He is also involved with another drug that is in Phase 2 trials now that is a pill rather than a shot like Remdesivir. He believes we are doing well on the trail of therapies. He would not comment on the use of plasma stating that the results are to mixed. He is not directly involved in any of the vaccines that are in development so he had no ax to grind.

He was asked what we could anticipate in the future. What we could expect down the road.
His comments were most interesting to me.

He said:

This will not be the last Corona virus. There are colonies of varies corona viruses scattered throughout the animal world, not just bats. These viruses can all easily jump to human lung tissues. So we will continue to see waves of Corona virus infections. But he feels that we have and continue to learn a lot about how to respond in the future.

He feels that the Corona-19 virus impact on the human race will evolve, so that within 3 to 5 years it will be just another version of the common cold. BUT he said we can get there, herd immunity, the easy way or the hard way. He feels we will have a successful vaccine available but it will not be released until the medical community feels that it is safe. Companies will resist the political pressure to rush things. But even without a vaccine it will still evolve to "cold" status within 3-5 years. If its done the hard way a lot of people will be infected and a number will die. The chilling thing he said was that a number of people would recover from the virus but potentially die down the road in five years. That it appeared that had recovered but the body was dead and just didn't know it then.

He said the more important thing was that human kind needed to learn how to be kind to their own human race. We, as a society, needed to learn how to listen to the medical community and develop habits that are beneficial to society (ea. wear masks and socially distance). That our behavior will have more impact on future new infections than medical treatments.
 
Let me try to steer this back to Covid-19

I listened to an episode on NPR today that was very informative. Don't come to the conclusion it was a dunning by liberals.

It was an interview with a Dr, from UNC, who was instrumental in the development of Remdesivir. He is also involved with another drug that is in Phase 2 trials now that is a pill rather than a shot like Remdesivir. He believes we are doing well on the trail of therapies. He would not comment on the use of plasma stating that the results are to mixed. He is not directly involved in any of the vaccines that are in development so he had no ax to grind.

He was asked what we could anticipate in the future. What we could expect down the road.
His comments were most interesting to me.

He said:

This will not be the last Corona virus. There are colonies of varies corona viruses scattered throughout the animal world, not just bats. These viruses can all easily jump to human lung tissues. So we will continue to see waves of Corona virus infections. But he feels that we have and continue to learn a lot about how to respond in the future.

He feels that the Corona-19 virus impact on the human race will evolve, so that within 3 to 5 years it will be just another version of the common cold. BUT he said we can get there, herd immunity, the easy way or the hard way. He feels we will have a successful vaccine available but it will not be released until the medical community feels that it is safe. Companies will resist the political pressure to rush things. But even without a vaccine it will still evolve to "cold" status within 3-5 years. If its done the hard way a lot of people will be infected and a number will die. The chilling thing he said was that a number of people would recover from the virus but potentially die down the road in five years. That it appeared that had recovered but the body was dead and just didn't know it then.

He said the more important thing was that human kind needed to learn how to be kind to their own human race. We, as a society, needed to learn how to listen to the medical community and develop habits that are beneficial to society (ea. wear masks and socially distance). That our behavior will have more impact on future new infections than medical treatments.
Good stuff. A lot of that is what I've been saying for a while, like how this will continue to mutate until its just another variety of the common cold. The problem is that it has to continue infecting people until its virulence drops to a non-lethal level. That means people are going to die from it for a while. Fortunately it looks like herd immunity starts to kick in at around 20% infection so as it cycles back through people that already have some level of immunity it will weaken without taking those lives. I'm of the opinion that by the time a vaccine actually comes out, it will largely be unnecessary for the majority of people just like the flu shot.
 
Good stuff. A lot of that is what I've been saying for a while, like how this will continue to mutate until its just another variety of the common cold. The problem is that it has to continue infecting people until its virulence drops to a non-lethal level. That means people are going to die from it for a while. Fortunately it looks like herd immunity starts to kick in at around 20% infection so as it cycles back through people that already have some level of immunity it will weaken without taking those lives. I'm of the opinion that by the time a vaccine actually comes out, it will largely be unnecessary for the majority of people just like the flu shot.

In your response, you imply that the Covid-19 virus mutates and becomes a less virulent form. That is not what this doctor was saying. He is saying that human kind will develop antibodies that allow us to fight off the virus; that is herd immunity. In other words, it's human kind that is evolving and developing a defensive posture versus this virus. There will be fewer potential victims that can carry and spread the virus. It is NOT that the virus is mutating and becoming less virulent. There will always be a small subset that are vulnerable and when they catch it, they will become sick and some will die, just like the flu.
 
In your response, you imply that the Covid-19 virus mutates and becomes a less virulent form. That is not what this doctor was saying. He is saying that human kind will develop antibodies that allow us to fight off the virus; that is herd immunity. In other words, it's human kind that is evolving and developing a defensive posture versus this virus. There will be fewer potential victims that can carry and spread the virus. It is NOT that the virus is mutating and becoming less virulent. There will always be a small subset that are vulnerable and when they catch it, they will become sick and some will die, just like the flu.
Its both. As corona and rhinoviruses mutate, they become more transmissable and less virulent, and at the same time people develop immunities to them. Influenza viruses are a different thing altogether. That's why we refer to the former as "the common cold" and the latter as "the flu". At some point in history, all of the cold viruses were deadly just like the one we are dealing with.
 
Its both. As corona and rhinoviruses mutate, they become more transmissable and less virulent, and at the same time people develop immunities to them. Influenza viruses are a different thing altogether. That's why we refer to the former as "the common cold" and the latter as "the flu". At some point in history, all of the cold viruses were deadly just like the one we are dealing with.

Thanks. Liked what you posted and not refuting it. Can you point me to someplace where I can read more about the mutation of Corona viruses?
 
In your response, you imply that the Covid-19 virus mutates and becomes a less virulent form. That is not what this doctor was saying. He is saying that human kind will develop antibodies that allow us to fight off the virus; that is herd immunity. In other words, it's human kind that is evolving and developing a defensive posture versus this virus. There will be fewer potential victims that can carry and spread the virus. It is NOT that the virus is mutating and becoming less virulent. There will always be a small subset that are vulnerable and when they catch it, they will become sick and some will die, just like the flu.

What was the name of this Researcher, if you recall? I'd love to try to listen to a podcast, if I can find it. Sounds very insightful.

Thanks, NC.
 
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