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[Crazyhole]

I understood your response and was just fine with all that you have said.

I was not trying to draw attention or sympathy to my family. I was trying to make a point about the Covid-19 pandemic.

Enough people have died that we are all resorting to statistics. How many have died from C-19, how many have died with C-19, how many have died from something else because our medical system is overwhelmed with C-19, what is our infection rate, how many have caught C-19, and more facts.

The reality is that each of these 200,000 deaths are real people that have families that are affected by the C-19 pandemic. They are not statistics.

It makes it easier to accept these deaths because most are older and have other secondary medical issues.

If Covid-19 had the same affect as Infantile Paralysis (Polio) society would be more up in arms. A disease that killed youth and young adults in their prime is not as easy to rationalize and accept as one that preys on the old and infirm.

If we find that Covid-19 affects the body in other ways and kills younger people slowly ea. multiple sclerosis, juvenile diabetes, and some heart conditions, again society will become much more alarmed.

As a society we must all start thinking about what is good for all of us and stop being so self centered. Just because you can, doesn't make it right for you to run around without a a mask and not social distance.

Agree 100% with everything you said. From the very beginning I have said that my hope is that people will now start to take all infectious diseases a little bit more serious, particularly influenza. Sure, most people survive it because its endemic, but some don't. We need to learn to be more careful about our interactions with people that may be susceptible to an infectious disease that you are carrying.

At the same time, there is a balance between measuring cost of life objectively and measuring it emotionally. One is not preferable over the other, but when it is personal as in your case it skews towards the emotional. Crappy situation all the way around because there is no way to define the line between "a life" and "a statistic".

Last year I lost one of my best friends in a murder suicide. If someone had come to me and cited statistics about how (x) number of people each year die from that scenario i would have been really, really offended because it was personal to me. If I didn't know him and read about it in the news it probably wouldn't have and I would just view his death as a statistic. Which response would be the correct one? I suppose it just depends on the person.

 

[JeopardyHusker]

Is she kidding?

Governor Whitmer signs executive order outlining mask requirements for organized sports

 

[NUinNC]

Is she kidding?

Governor Whitmer signs executive order outlining mask requirements for organized sports

She backed off a little from this position. She said it did not apply to swimming

 

[Son of Charlie]

She backed off a little from this position. She said it did not apply to swimming

Damn, that is where a mask could do the most good.

SOC

 

[Crazyhole]

While those super awesome AAU accredited universities can't come up with anything other than "wear a mask during practice" DONU comes up with this:

Nebraska has its own rapid testing system for virus

 

[Crazyhole]

We literally can make sure that no player that has Covid is on the field. Please explain why we can't start playing in 3 weeks.

 

[Jarhead Husker]

Agree 100% with everything you said. From the very beginning I have said that my hope is that people will now start to take all infectious diseases a little bit more serious, particularly influenza. Sure, most people survive it because its endemic, but some don't. We need to learn to be more careful about our interactions with people that may be susceptible to an infectious disease that you are carrying.

At the same time, there is a balance between measuring cost of life objectively and measuring it emotionally. One is not preferable over the other, but when it is personal as in your case it skews towards the emotional. Crappy situation all the way around because there is no way to define the line between "a life" and "a statistic".

Last year I lost one of my best friends in a murder suicide. If someone had come to me and cited statistics about how (x) number of people each year die from that scenario i would have been really, really offended because it was personal to me. If I didn't know him and read about it in the news it probably wouldn't have and I would just view his death as a statistic. Which response would be the correct one? I suppose it just depends on the person.

Good thoughts from NUinNC and you, Crazyhole. I agree that we should be considerate of people when we know they are at high risk. I have a childhood friend that has heart issues, cancer, and COPD, and is likely dead if he gets Covid-19. I am VERY careful around him when we visit. But, I also have a friend who lost his toddler daughter to Flu, and even though people dismiss Flu, and say "I don't care about it", her death was just as real as any from Covid-19. The 55,000 lost each year to Flu are no less important, even though no one seems to want to mention them. Our normal activities DO cause some of the higher risk people to contract Flu, and other pathogens, and die. There can be no doubt, students from College football/basketball stadiums & concerts take Flu, etc. home every season to at risk people. We don't shutdown for the 55,000 Flu deaths every year, so as a society we already make decisions on acceptable loss of life, even though some don't want to admit it. However, it will always be an unacceptable loss when it is someone you care deeply about. That will never change no matter how you lose them.
I just read an article on the toll that the shutdowns, cancellations, and recession is taking on young people. There is a price to pay for every course of action.
Pandemic taking heavy toll on mental health of young adults, poll finds; $300 jobless boost about to end
Crime rates have also increased dramatically in several cities around the country, and Lincoln, NE is one of them. We can find a way to resume life as much as possible, while taking reasonable precautions. It doesn't have to be either extreme of "shut it all down" or "eliminate all restrictions." My 19 year old daughter contracted Covid-19 this week from a college volleyball teammate, but she hardly has any symptoms. A stuffed up nose and a little tired. I still would do it all over again and take her to campus and let her try her best to have a normal college experience, and a volleyball season, which is sport she loves dearly and has been a part of her life for a decade. I don't want to shut her life down in the chance that my buddy MIGHT get Covid-19 from some interaction, and he agrees, but you can be sure as hell I wouldn't let my daughter near him for the next month or so. We can, and should, work towards resuming normal activities as much as possible while taking common sense precautions......

 

[Jarhead Husker]

We literally can make sure that no player that has Covid is on the field. Please explain why we can't start playing in 3 weeks.

It's quite simple. There are enough Big10 schools that don't want to make a good faith effort to play, whether it be fear of liability, they don't value sports, or whatever, and they are preventing things from moving forward....

 

[Crazyhole]

It's quite simple. There are enough Big10 schools that don't want to make a good faith effort to play, whether it be fear of liability, they don't value sports, or whatever, and they are preventing things from moving forward....

It won't be that simple if the media outlets that have contracted with the conference sue for financial damages or just tell the conference they arent interested in renewing their contracts.

If I'm ABC or FOX and find out that the BiG10 could play but refuses to, the next time I negotiate a contract with them its going to be a lot different. Reliability is a huge factor in any negotiation.

 

[Jarhead Husker]

It won't be that simple if the media outlets that have contracted with the conference sue for financial damages or just tell the conference they arent interested in renewing their contracts.

If I'm ABC or FOX and find out that the BiG10 could play but refuses to, the next time I negotiate a contract with them its going to be a lot different. Reliability is a huge factor in any negotiation.

Ya, I didn't mean to be smartass with my "quite simple" comment. I was being a little sarcastic, because as you mention, the situation is anything BUT simple. It will be interesting to see what the Big10 does in the end....

 

[SUHnami]

Excellent -- here is my tomato with a butt. I just love it. But it's now in a pint of canned tomatoes.

That's a nice butt!

 

[innmc]

 

[redfred]

It's quite simple. There are enough Big10 schools that don't want to make a good faith effort to play, whether it be fear of liability, they don't value sports, or whatever, and they are preventing things from moving forward....

I stated some time ago that I felt although there was legitimate concern over the well being of student athletes, the battle would end up being fought over dueling monies. It would be revenue vs liability. In the first round liability won. It might win again...….but for the opposing side. What I didn't say, simply because I didn't think it was a consideration, was that liability swings both ways. Multiple litigation threats have at least got the voting delegation's attention. The medical information that will preclude the next vote will carry a lot of weight...….both because of concerns over health, BUT also because to go against medical recommendations and causing financial harm could create a whole new litigation process...….one just as ugly those brought by those whose health might be at risk.

Hopefully the voting delegation has chosen their medical experts wisely. Their opinions will carry the day imo.

 

[NebSailor]

While those super awesome AAU accredited universities can't come up with anything other than "wear a mask during practice" DONU comes up with this:

Nebraska has its own rapid testing system for virus

Saw this...Talk about Academia Middle Finger! I love Nerds!

 

[Uenth]

That's a nice butt!

Thanks -- I thought so too!

 

[NebSailor]

We know why. I feel really bad for these players. We are telling them...Run out there and be aggressive and hit someone! Then, oh wait...You can’t play it’s too dangerous. I will say again...I literally train the same age, health status, and not even close to as in shape these College Athletes are daily. We are trucking along...Positive cases, yes. We pull them out of training and quarantine them. Deaths ZERO. Hospitalizations ZERO. The difference...LEADERSHIP. We make sh!t happen. BIG TEN sh!t down both legs when faced with adversity. Why don’t the parents have a say so? If I thought it was too risky for my kid...Then I pull them out. Sitting back and watching the lack of leadership makes me question...How in the world did you get that job?

 

[NebSailor]

Good thoughts from NUinNC and you, Crazyhole. I agree that we should be considerate of people when we know they are at high risk. I have a childhood friend that has heart issues, cancer, and COPD, and is likely dead if he gets Covid-19. I am VERY careful around him when we visit. But, I also have a friend who lost his toddler daughter to Flu, and even though people dismiss Flu, and say "I don't care about it", her death was just as real as any from Covid-19. The 55,000 lost each year to Flu are no less important, even though no one seems to want to mention them. Our normal activities DO cause some of the higher risk people to contract Flu, and other pathogens, and die. There can be no doubt, students from College football/basketball stadiums & concerts take Flu, etc. home every season to at risk people. We don't shutdown for the 55,000 Flu deaths every year, so as a society we already make decisions on acceptable loss of life, even though some don't want to admit it. However, it will always be an unacceptable loss when it is someone you care deeply about. That will never change no matter how you lose them.
I just read an article on the toll that the shutdowns, cancellations, and recession is taking on young people. There is a price to pay for every course of action.
Pandemic taking heavy toll on mental health of young adults, poll finds; $300 jobless boost about to end
Crime rates have also increased dramatically in several cities around the country, and Lincoln, NE is one of them. We can find a way to resume life as much as possible, while taking reasonable precautions. It doesn't have to be either extreme of "shut it all down" or "eliminate all restrictions." My 19 year old daughter contracted Covid-19 this week from a college volleyball teammate, but she hardly has any symptoms. A stuffed up nose and a little tired. I still would do it all over again and take her to campus and let her try her best to have a normal college experience, and a volleyball season, which is sport she loves dearly and has been a part of her life for a decade. I don't want to shut her life down in the chance that my buddy MIGHT get Covid-19 from some interaction, and he agrees, but you can be sure as hell I wouldn't let my daughter near him for the next month or so. We can, and should, work towards resuming normal activities as much as possible while taking common sense precautions......

Influenza almost claimed my wife. We are also taking our eye off the ball when it comes to other conditions that were in the middle of being treated then stopped because of Kung Flu. I’m telling you...The statistics will come out about people passing from a condition they already had (like cancer) and oh BTW...They had C-19.

 

[Jarhead Husker]

Thanks -- I thought so too!

If this keeps up, you two should just go ahead and get a room....

 

[Son of Charlie]

Influenza almost claimed my wife. We are also taking our eye off the ball when it comes to other conditions that were in the middle of being treated then stopped because of Kung Flu. I’m telling you...The statistics will come out about people passing from a condition they already had (like cancer) and oh BTW...They had C-19.

It is known as Covid or Covid-19. So you have something to look at you can see here: Our New COVID-19 Vocabulary—What Does It All Mean?

This should help.

SOC

 

[Uenth]

If this keeps up, you two should just go ahead and get a room....

nice, real nice.