Who still has confidence in this staff?

[LinvingProog]

The trouble with Frosts connection with AM is simple, he has blinders on. Does he think 90K fans are all wrong? We see the same thing game in and game out, slow decision making overthrows and bad reads and wide open players never see the ball. The players see who is the best and they know it, when the lesser player is getting PT like AM it destroys the will and desire to do better if you are not a chosen one. Its a cancer on the team and I believe that is mainly the issue today. Frost caused it and he has to fix it. What happened to Vedral who knew the system so well and he seldom gets on the field even when AM is really screwing the pooch?

In Frost's post game comments about Martinez I haven't noticed him being overly effusive in praising him or criticizing him. He's been measured in his comments. He is also aware that ALL of his QB options are limited. Vedral knows the system well, but he's not a fast blinker. We have a walk on back up who, well he's a walk on for a reason. And he has a true freshman who looks as capable as Martinez did last year. A head coach who allows the fans to choose his starting QB will soon be selling insurance.

 

[Doc Fumble]

That's also very possible, and I'm trying not to read too much into his statement. But, I think QB should be viewed as just another position, that is open for competition, not some uber important leader that will "give us a lift".

I understand what you're saying, Jarhead. And that should have been the case given Martinez' performance this year. But the QB position can be the undeniable difference-maker between a good year and a championship season. Would UCF have gone undefeated in 2017 without the play -- and leadership -- these coaches got from McKenzie Milton? How good would LSU be this year without Joe Burrows? Do you think LSU's players go into every game with a greater sense of confidence and swagger knowing Joe's leading them?

The key is the QB's performance. Clearly Frost didn't expect the performance from Adrian this season that he got.

 

[colhusker]

I understand what you're saying, Jarhead. And that should have been the case given Martinez' performance this year. But the QB position can be the undeniable difference-maker between a good year and a championship season. Would UCF have gone undefeated in 2017 without the play -- and leadership -- these coaches got from McKenzie Milton? How good would LSU be this year without Joe Burrows? Do you think LSU's players go into every game with a greater sense of confidence and swagger knowing Joe's leading them?

The key is the QB's performance. Clearly Frost didn't expect the performance from Adrian this season that he got.

Doc not many expected what Adrian gave the team this year. That said, the rub for most is that it was clear he was not playing at the same level relatively early and while I understand giving him time to play his way out of a slump, he was given to much lease with no change being made to try something else.

 

[Doc Fumble]

Doc not many expected what Adrian gave the team this year. That said, the rub for most is that it was clear he was not playing at the same level relatively early and while I understand giving him time to play his way out of a slump, he was given to much lease with no change being made to try something else.

I agree, CH. But my one little defense of Frosty is that he's consistently dealt with QBs who have gotten better during his time as Oregon's OC and HC at UCF. Injured or not, AM was his first 'slumper' and I think it's fair to say he didn't handle it the best.

The one bright spot with Frost is that I believe he's more of a "learn and grow from my experiences" type-of-coach than a guy like Bo Pelini.

 

[valiantsailor]

In Frost's post game comments about Martinez I haven't noticed him being overly effusive in praising him or criticizing him. He's been measured in his comments. He is also aware that ALL of his QB options are limited. Vedral knows the system well, but he's not a fast blinker. We have a walk on back up who, well he's a walk on for a reason. And he has a true freshman who looks as capable as Martinez did last year. A head coach who allows the fans to choose his starting QB will soon be selling insurance.

Limited? McCaffery has been available all year and so has Vedral. Vedral played more than a few games at UCF.

AM2 s production is down over a 1000 yards from last year in passing stats. If you think Vedral is a slow blinker what the hell do you call Martinez?

 

[valiantsailor]

Doc not many expected what Adrian gave the team this year. That said, the rub for most is that it was clear he was not playing at the same level relatively early and while I understand giving him time to play his way out of a slump, he was given to much lease with no change being made to try something else.

Maybe he did not expect it but why the hell did he stay with it?

 

[Chris]

Limited? McCaffery has been available all year and so has Vedral. Vedral played more than a few games at UCF.

AM2 s production is down over a 1000 yards from last year in passing stats. If you think Vedral is a slow blinker what the hell do you call Martinez?

Vedral was injured and not available every game.

 

[Chris]

In Frost's post game comments about Martinez I haven't noticed him being overly effusive in praising him or criticizing him. He's been measured in his comments. .

I'd say that is his tone/approach to most every player and in every press conference.

 

[Doc Fumble]

Maybe he did not expect it but why the hell did he stay with it?

Frost saw all of his former QBs recover after a bad game or two. He showed support in his patience with Adrian but it wasn't rewarded.

I think part of the issue is that Frost sees a lot of himself in his starting QB. But next season, Frost needs to put Adrian on a tighter leash for both their sakes.

 

[Jarhead Husker]

I understand what you're saying, Jarhead. And that should have been the case given Martinez' performance this year. But the QB position can be the undeniable difference-maker between a good year and a championship season. Would UCF have gone undefeated in 2017 without the play -- and leadership -- these coaches got from McKenzie Milton? How good would LSU be this year without Joe Burrows? Do you think LSU's players go into every game with a greater sense of confidence and swagger knowing Joe's leading them?

The key is the QB's performance. Clearly Frost didn't expect the performance from Adrian this season that he got.

Oh, I agree with what you are saying. The QB IS a key position on the Offense, and can be a difference maker. But, how about the starting tailback? Would Wisconsin be where they are without Taylor? There is no doubt that a good QB is essential for an effective Frost Offense, but I just don't think the OC should be publicly singling out 1 player, proclaiming that a QB will give the entire team a lift, especially one that has performed below expectations. We need all 11 on Offense playing like they are "the guy" to become a potent Offense. Looking at AM's performance, I think the last thing AM needed was more pressure on him, but that is strictly my opinion. It's not a huge deal that Walters made that statement, but coaches elevating certain players above others is just a pet peeve of mine on team oriented sports, and I know from experience the effect something like that can have on a lockerroom in certain situations....

 

[Jimbosc]

2AM is the best combo of running/passing we have....but I agree his slow decision making (and poor decision making along with that) resulted in a tough go at QB. We know he had a leg injury that slowed him down in the run game - and their are rumors he played with a bum shoulder the entire season. Does not explain the lack of execution we all saw

Vedral - knows the offense so makes fast decision. He didn't hold up well to hits once he played significant snaps so thinking he can be the starter every game and run it 15+ times.....nope. Also he hangs balls late in plays WAY to often. Just does not have the arm we need to generate offense vs. elite defenses.

LM - freak athlete - if we are dedicated to running it 60% or more he is the guy that needs to start. But he was redshirted this year - so he was limited to 4 games. And he got hurt enough to not be available at least one game - so again he needs some time doing S&C to take the pounding a starting QB will take. I like his moxie and throwing on the run ability - but he does not have the same arm 2AM has. Not sure he can do the drop backs this offense needs and throw accurately. Potential is there for sure - but he was not really asked to do it consistently during his limited playing time. They used a pretty specific play book to max his abilities as a runner.

I think Smothers has to get a long, hard look for next season. Why. Because ability wise 2AM is the best option. If he can't hack the mental part - if Smothers has the best combo of run/pass ability he needs to play

Vedral is not leaving. Luke's brother Dylan has been stuck down the depth chart at Meat Chicken and not left - so I don't buy he will leave if he can't start next season. 2AM is the guy that will transfer if anyone does .....

 

[Doc Fumble]

We have arguably the best collection of QB talent in the history of the program going into next Spring Ball.

All I care about is Frost goes into the Fall playing The Best One, who ever the hell it turns out to be.

 

[OhioHusker]

We have arguably the best collection of QB talent in the history of the program going into next Spring Ball.

All I care about is Frost goes into the Fall playing The Best One, who ever the hell it turns out to be.

Frost needs to play the QB that gives the Huskers the best chance of winning. And unless Martinez does a 180 between now and next August, it's not him.

 

[Jimbosc]

Frost needs to play the QB that gives the Huskers the best chance of winning. And unless Martinez does a 180 between now and next August, it's not him.

Raw talent is there - and he seems to be well liked by his teammates. Problem is lack of results.....so either he gets WAY better or he rides pine. I think we all understand that. The angst is we don't know what Frost sees. If players are killing it in practice and it does not translate to the field - either you have head cases that can't handle pressure - or your coaching sucks.

 

[valiantsailor]

Its not Frosts job to rescue. Its his job to put a winning combination on the field for every game. Unless I miss my best guess, he hasn't. This year we finished with a staggering 6 out of 8 losses. Next years schedule is so bad for us we may break that record easily. It will be a struggle to win 3 games next year with the play we had this year.

 

[Mike Corgan]

The only absolute scientific certainty I devine here is we don't know what we don't know...

...being stuck in a round-a-bout with a lot of fist shaking.

 

[Jarhead Husker]

The only absolute scientific certainty I devine here is we don't know what we don't know...

...being stuck in a round-a-bout with a lot of fist shaking.

Very true. It was a disappointing season. Hopefully, the staff learns and grows, the redshirted guys upgrade the talent on the field, and we play better football next season. I'm ready to move on to next season, and see where it takes us. Bitching and ranting, although great fun, doesn't really accomplish much at this point. I know this much, I'm not buying into any hype or predictions about anything from here on out. I will have to see it to believe it when it comes to Husker football.....

 

[LinvingProog]

So the

I'd say that is his tone/approach to most every player and in every press conference.

I agree. And that is why I don't understand why people say he is wedded to Martinez. It could be that in the eyes of he and his offensive coaches, Martinez gives them the best opportunity to win. But I don't think he has professional and career suicide in mind by playing Martinez ahead of another QB who he believes gives the Huskers a better chance to win. This is not how football coaches stay employed. It takes a little time to figure out if someone cannot get the job done and more importantly if you have someone available who can get the job done to replace them. I think he and the other coaches have been just as surprised, NO more surprised than we have about Martinez' performance at times this year. As a fan I have put up with the same crap from the Huskers as everyone else has for the past 20 years. And with the exception of a few shiny moments during the Pelini years, I can deal with these past two years, as damn frustrating as they were.

 

[LinvingProog]

Its not Frosts job to rescue. Its his job to put a winning combination on the field for every game. Unless I miss my best guess, he hasn't. This year we finished with a staggering 6 out of 8 losses. Next years schedule is so bad for us we may break that record easily. It will be a struggle to win 3 games next year with the play we had this year.

I see the same problem you see, but I am very curious what you think the solution is. And please don't go to the "I'm not being paid millions of dollars a year to fix it." What is your idea of a solution?

 

[Mike Corgan]

Very true. It was a disappointing season. Hopefully, the staff learns and grows, the redshirted guys upgrade the talent on the field, and we play better football next season. I'm ready to move on to next season, and see where it takes us. Bitching and ranting, although great fun, doesn't really accomplish much at this point. I know this much, I'm not buying into any hype or predictions about anything from here on out. I will have to see it to believe it when it comes to Husker football.....

Thanks for this reply Jarhead, Yes this season is a disappointment, believe it will get better, we will persevere...