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Rumor: Possible expansion announcement this week.

ATX_Husker said:
Wouldn't it be ironic if after all the dust settles from realignment we are back in the old Big Eight with the original members?

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I would love that myself
 
Luke Skywalker said:
If FSU and Clemson leave, I wonder what will be the play of the remaining teams in the ACC. Will the other ACC teams try to grab some G5 schools to fill out their league or will they try to merge with another conference like the Pac 12? Will teams with something to offer (like UNC, Miami, and Virginia) try to leave for the Big 10 or Big 12?
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It gets pretty slim in the G5 world, as most of the better known ones have been snatched up already. From a basketball perspective, if the Big 12 could add UNC, Duke, Virginia, that would solidify them as the top basketball conference in my opinion. Toss in a Miami and/or NcState, and that would create some solid recruiting grounds to build on.
 
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LarsNotAnderson said:
It gets pretty slim in the G5 world, as most of the better known ones have been snatched up already. From a basketball perspective, if the Big 12 could add UNC, Duke, Virginia, that would solidify them as the top basketball conference in my opinion. Toss in a Miami and/or NcState, and that would create some solid recruiting grounds to build on.
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It does seem like the Big 12 is positioning itself as the next best conference to the Big 10/SEC. The ACC and Pac 12 are essentially going to become G5 conferences. In this scenario, the Big 12 may occasionally get a team in the playoffs, but doubtful for the Pac 12 or ACC.
 
On Wednesday afternoon, Florida State’s board of trustees held a meeting that was streamed on the web. The entirety of this meeting was available to the public, and it included impassioned speeches from FSU president Rick McCullough and various trustees about why Florida State needs to leave the ACC if the conference can’t come up with a solution for a massive revenue gap between its schools and the schools of the Big Ten and SEC. This is a dramatic shift for ACC.
 
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SUHnami said:
True, but they probably won't. They saw the light as did the Big 12 by adding a conference title game. The top 2 teams in the conference should play for the conference title. Even if that means OSU and Michigan play again the following week.
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They can add divisions/pods and still have the top two rated teams play in the conference championship. Divisions/pods could just be used to keep the regular season matchups to a geographic area to limit some of the travel in a conference that could span the entire country.
 
Nebraska99 said:
Big Ten presidents authorize further research on Oregon, Washington as conference members
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Here's the key takeaways IMO:
  • The first is that these additions wouldn’t add any new money to the Big Ten immediately. And their financial impact would have to offset their cost, otherwise expansion means LESS money, not MORE, for everybody.
  • I found it interesting to learn that -- if they had a vote -- USC and UCLA would NOT want them to receive invites.
  • As was the case with Nebraska, Maryland, and Rutgers, Oregon and Washington wouldn’t receive an immediate full share of the revenue. But they'd still be feeding at the trough. After the USC-UCLA move, I read that the only program from the Pac or the ACC who could increase the conference's media $$$ down the road was Notre Dame. Everybody else would be a drain.
  • The big unknown factor is how much the conference could rake in as part of a two-conference national championship playoff tournament. If we're headed towards THAT, it would change the whole money deal entirely. But without that prospect looming on the horizon, taking the Ducks and the Huskies doesn't make financial sense.
 
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DrFumblerooski said:
Here's the key takeaways IMO:
  • The first is that these additions wouldn’t add any new money to the Big Ten immediately. And their financial impact would have to offset their cost, otherwise expansion means LESS money, not MORE, for everybody.
  • I found it interesting to learn that -- if they had a vote -- USC and UCLA would NOT want them to receive invites.
  • As was the case with Nebraska, Maryland, and Rutgers, Oregon and Washington wouldn’t receive an immediate full share of the revenue. But they'd still be feeding at the trough. After the USC-UCLA move, I read that the only program from the Pac or the ACC who could increase the conference's media $$$ down the road was Notre Dame. Everybody else would be a drain.
  • The big unknown factor is how much the conference could rake in as part of a two-conference national championship playoff tournament. If we're headed towards THAT, it would change the whole money deal entirely. But without that prospect looming on the horizon, taking the Ducks and the Huskies doesn't make financial sense.
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This offers some more math on the $$$ and bonus for cheerleader pic. Pac-12 survival: Are Oregon, UW, Stanford and Cal worth the investment? Breaking down the Big Ten expansion math (sports360az.com)
 
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Chris said:
And this argues that taking UW and Oregon is a preemptive strike vs allowing the SEC or maybe Big 12 to take them and leave the B1G with less attractive options over the course of the next few years.
Oregon needs the Big Ten, but the Big Ten needs Oregon just as badly (usatoday.com)
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IMO, the usatoday article is Oregon BS. The idea that the Big Ten needs to worry that the SEC will snatch up Oregon is laughable.

I did enjoy the other article which emphasizes my main point about this whole expansion business: The Big Ten members are not interested in taking a pay cut in the name of expansion.
 
DrFumblerooski said:
IMO, the usatoday article is Oregon BS. The idea that the Big Ten needs to worry that the SEC will snatch up Oregon is laughable.

I did enjoy the other article which emphasizes my main point about this whole expansion business: The Big Ten members are not interested in taking a pay cut in the name of expansion.
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Think that there might be some kinda clause in that deal about adding teams?
Or the option to set up a separate deal for usc & ucla home games … ( most against big ten teams ) to make up revenue for adding them ? :deal: To televise those games like say mich @ usc someone gonna pony up
 
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DrFumblerooski said:
The idea that the Big Ten needs to worry that the SEC will snatch up Oregon is laughable.
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I agree. The SEC strategy is to lock down the SE United States + Texas. The B1G seems more interested in being a coast-to-coast conference. We got the two best brands in this imploding conference, and they both reside in Los Angeles.

I would offer Stanford at this point if it helps to land Notre Dame. But I'm becoming increasingly interested in nabbing North Carolina, Clemson, or Florida State. I think that would create more angst in SEC country than landing Oregon and Washington. We need a few southern schools in our coast-to-coast equation.
 
DrFumblerooski said:
IMO, the usatoday article is Oregon BS. The idea that the Big Ten needs to worry that the SEC will snatch up Oregon is laughable.

I did enjoy the other article which emphasizes my main point about this whole expansion business: The Big Ten members are not interested in taking a pay cut in the name of expansion.
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Yeah- I think it's arguing the notion that the whole of college football is getting swallowed up by the B1G and the SEC... maybe. But as the TV revenue showed, there are only so many schools that bring added value.
I suspect that the SEC and B1G are both spending a lot of time speculating on what their MEGA conference MIGHT be worth in a few years years. Be very careful, look what happened to ESPn - a money juggernaut until it got so big that... suddenly they couldn't afford to be them anymore... to the point that Disney might sell them off.

Again, money = the end of college football as we once loved it.
 
Chris said:
Say more about this; curious why you think so. Recruiting? North Carolina doesn't help with that or revenue.
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North Carolina is one of the leading public universities with respect to academics. The Carolinas produce a lot of good football players. We need a presence in that part of the country to prevent a total SEC monopoly in these states. I'd rather have Clemson or Florida State, but I think North Carolina would be a popular choice with the academics who vote on these things.

It all could be moot if these schools can't break that tv contract until 2036. That could turn into a legal drama that drags on several years.
 
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If anything a B1G/FSU counters an SEC/UF. GT would be grab at Georgia. UNC fits the B1G while NCSt fits the SEC. Virgina fits B1G while VT fits the SEC. You can almost guarantee minimal overlap.

Ranking the most-watched college football programs in 2022.
We are still relevant nationally at #16. The numbers next to each school indicate the average number of viewers per week for a 12-week season. Streaming numbers are included when available. Games that do not have available data are counted as zero. I highlighted who I think should be top B1G targets in a mega-conference situation.

  1. Ohio State — 5.80M
  2. Alabama — 5.11M
  3. Michigan — 4.37M
  4. Tennessee — 4.13M
  5. Georgia — 3.50M
  6. Notre Dame — 3.30M
  7. LSU — 3.22M
  8. Texas — 3.06M
  9. Penn State — 3.05M
  10. Clemson — 2.59M
  11. Florida — 2.57M
  12. Oregon — 2.21M
  13. TCU — 2.20M
  14. Southern Cal — 2.07M
  15. Florida State — 2.03M
  16. Nebraska — 1.98M
  17. Michigan State — 1.91M
  18. Texas A&M — 1.87M
  19. Maryland — 1.864M
  20. Auburn — 1.863M
  21. Arkansas — 1.80M
  22. Mississippi — 1.753M
  23. Oklahoma — 1.748M
  24. Oklahoma State — 1.68M
  25. UCLA — 1.591M
  26. Wisconsin — 1.587M
  27. Iowa — 1.50M
  28. Kentucky — 1.35M
  29. Baylor — 1.32M
  30. Kansas State — 1.23M
  31. Indiana — 1.19M
  32. Illinois — 1.17M
  33. Utah — 1.16M
  34. Washington — 1.15M
  35. Northwestern — 1.13M
  36. Mississippi State — 1.10M
  37. Minnesota — 1.05M
  38. BYU — 997K
  39. South Carolina — 990K
  40. Navy — 976K
  41. Washington State — 907K
  42. Iowa State — 882K
  43. NC State — 881K
  44. Purdue -870K
  45. California — 857K
  46. North Carolina — 849K
  47. Stanford — 846K
  48. Syracuse — 841K
  49. Georgia Tech — 837K
  50. Missouri — 793K
  51. West Virginia — 774K
  52. Kansas — 732K
  53. Army — 681K
  54. Texas Tech — 680K
  55. Cincinnati — 653K
  56. Pittsburgh — 650K
  57. Oregon State — 625K
  58. Rutgers — 618K
  59. Miami FL— 608K
  60. Wake Forest — 523K
  61. UCF — 510K
  62. Arizona — 506K
  63. Louisville — 496K
  64. Colorado State — 386K
  65. Tulane — 354K
  66. Boise State — 353K
  67. Colorado — 352.9K
  68. Air Force — 326K
  69. Utah State — 324K
  70. Boston College — 322K
  71. Arizona State — 314K
  72. SMU — 312K
  73. Toledo — 306K
  74. East Carolina — 305K
  75. Appalachian State — 298K
  76. Virginia Tech — 264K
  77. Marshall — 262K
  78. Houston — 242K
  79. Virginia — 237K
  80. Fresno State — 220K
  81. Ohio — 214K
  82. Connecticut — 212K
  83. San Diego State — 198K
  84. Western Michigan — 174K
  85. Memphis — 165K
  86. Tulsa — 162K
  87. Wyoming — 154K
  88. Central Michigan — 130K
  89. Georgia Southern — 125K
  90. Nevada — 116.4K
  91. Duke — 115.7K
  92. UTEP — 102K
  93. Temple — 92K
  94. New Mexico State — 86K
  95. South Florida — 80.8K
  96. Coastal Carolina — 80.6K
  97. Louisiana — 78K
  98. UAB — 71K
  99. Arkansas State — 69K
  100. Buffalo — 67K
  101. Bowling Green — 63K
  102. Ball State — 61K
  103. Kent State — 60K
  104. Georgia State — 55K
  105. San Jose State — 53K
  106. Miami OH — 49K
  107. Northern Illinois — 46K
  108. Hawaii — 43K
  109. Eastern Michigan — 33K
  110. Akron — 31K
  111. Old Dominion — 28K
  112. Texas State — 18.4K
  113. New Mexico — 17.5K
  114. Southern Miss — 16K
  115. Charlotte 14.8K
  116. Western Kentucky — 13.8K
  117. Florida Atlantic — 12K
  118. Louisiana Tech — 10K
  119. James Madison — 9K
The 2022 “4 million club”
Here are all of the games that broke 4 million viewers this season:

  1. Michigan at Ohio State — 17.14M
  2. Tennessee at Georgia — 13.06M
  3. Alabama at Tennessee — 11.56M
  4. Alabama at Texas — 10.60M
  5. Notre Dame vs. Ohio State — 10.53M
  6. Alabama at Mississippi — 8.71M
  7. Ohio State at Penn State — 8.27M
  8. Alabama at LSU — 7.58M
  9. Florida State vs. LSU — 7.55M
  10. Texas A&M at Alabama — 7.15M
  11. Army vs. Navy — 6.94M
  12. Florida at Florida State — 6.71M
  13. Notre Dame at Southern Cal, 6.68M
  14. Ohio State at Maryland — 6.60M
  15. Penn State at Michigan — 6.45M
  16. Auburn at Alabama — 6.27M
  17. Oregon vs. Georgia — 6.20M
  18. Alabama at Arkansas — 5.83M
  19. Florida at Georgia — 5.62M
  20. Michigan State at Michigan — 5.58M
  21. Florida at Tennessee — 5.57M
  22. Illinois at Michigan — 5.47M
  23. TCU at Texas — 5.03M
  24. NC State at Clemson — 4.98M
  25. Tennessee at South Carolina — 4.87M
  26. Clemson at Georgia Tech — 4.86M
  27. Ohio State at Northwestern — 4.76M
  28. Syracuse at Clemson — 4.75M
  29. Wisconsin at Ohio State — 4.59M
  30. Southern Cal at UCLA — 4.53M
  31. Georgia at Kentucky — 4.48M
  32. Tennessee at Pittsburgh — 4.46M
  33. Texas at Oklahoma State — 4.46M
  34. Ohio State at Michigan State — 4.44M
  35. Nebraska vs. Northwestern — 4.42M
  36. Maryland at Michigan — 4.38M
  37. Iowa at Ohio State — 4.38M
  38. TCU at Baylor — 4.35M
  39. Iowa State at TCU — 4.34M
  40. Kentucky at Florida — 4.33M
  41. Auburn at Georgia — 4.24M
  42. Michigan at Iowa — 4.20M
  43. Penn State at Auburn — 4.05M
  44. Kentucky at Tennessee — 4.04M
  45. Michigan at Indiana — 4.01M
There were 39 teams that played in at least one game that cracked 4 million viewers:

8 — Ohio State
7 — Alabama, Michigan
6 — Tennessee
5 — Georgia
4 — Florida
3 — Auburn, Clemson, Kentucky, Penn State, TCU, Texas
2 — Florida State, Iowa, LSU, Maryland, Michigan State, Northwestern, Notre Dame, Southern Cal
1 — Arkansas, Army, Baylor, Georgia Tech, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa State, Mississippi, Navy, NC State, Nebraska, Oklahoma State, Oregon, Pittsburgh, South Carolina, Syracuse, Texas A&M, UCLA, Wisconsin

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Might as well just go for broke and get to 24 teams. Add Oregon, Washington, Utah, Stanford, Florida St, Clemson, North Carolina and finally force Notre Dame. Then start breaking them down into 6 team pods.
 
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