Fall Camp News

[Jarhead Husker]

I think we need to do everything we can do reduce car accidents. That is why I was not in favor of raising the speed limits on Nebraska roads. Who the hell thought that was a good idea. It didn't take a rocket scientist to figure out if you go from 65 to 70 on some 4 lane highways that some people would go from driving 70 to 75 on them. Just stupid.

SOC

It's because we balance risk in everything we do, in all areas of society. We always have, and always will if we want to take advantage of certain technology, certain situations, and benefit from certain ways of life. Benefit vs risk is a conversation that will always be around.....

 

[Reasonablehuskerfan]

I think we need to do everything we can do reduce car accidents. That is why I was not in favor of raising the speed limits on Nebraska roads. Who the hell thought that was a good idea. It didn't take a rocket scientist to figure out if you go from 65 to 70 on some 4 lane highways that some people would go from driving 70 to 75 on them. Just stupid.

SOC

Yes and the kids are going to be wearing masks, many schools have other measures in place as well. I have school aged kids and they cant wait to get back in school, they are straight A students but struggled with the distance learning thing- even my senior who got a full ride academic scholarship to a top 100 University. They all struggled with the lack of peer interaction and group activities.

 

[Son of Charlie]

It's because we balance risk in everything we do, in all areas of society. We always have, and always will if we want to take advantage of certain technology, certain situations, and benefit from certain ways of life. Benefit vs risk is a conversation that will always be around.....

There is a balance and we can argue where that is.

But from a goal standpoint I believe we should reduce as much as possible deaths from any cause other than old age.

SOC

 

[Son of Charlie]

Of course the article says nothing about death rates , because there weren’t a bunch of kids dying

Israel has had just 619 deaths in country of 9,000,000
In Fact no one under the age of 19 has died of COVID in Israel

https://www.israelhayom.com/2020/07/31/number-of-covid-deaths-in-israel-passes-500/

How many people had interactions with these students and got covid. Did anyone die? Because I call BS on the idea that kids and teens cant "spread" covid.

SOC

 

[Reasonablehuskerfan]

How many people had interactions with these students and got covid. Did anyone die? Because I call BS on the idea that kids and teens cant "spread" covid.

SOC

Well you could very well be wrong about that as well
NPR had this to say: Kids Get Coronavirus, But Do They Spread It? We'll Find Out When Schools Reopen

Children rarely transmit COVID-19, doctors write in new commentary: Schools can reopen in fall, they say, if safety guidelines are observed and community transmission is low
Science Daily
""The data are striking," said Dr. Raszka. "The key takeaway is that children are not driving the pandemic. After six months, we have a wealth of accumulating data showing that children are less likely to become infected and seem less infectious; it is congregating adults who aren't following safety protocols who are responsible for driving the upward curve."

COVID-19 Transmission and Children: The Child Is Not to Blame
American Academy of Pediatrics
"Almost 6 months into the pandemic, accumulating evidence and collective experience argue that children, particularly school-aged children, are far less important drivers of SARS-CoV-2 transmission than adults. Therefore, serious consideration should be paid toward strategies that allow schools to remain open, even during periods of COVID-19 spread. In doing so, we could minimize the potentially profound adverse social, developmental, and health costs that our children will continue to suffer until an effective treatment or vaccine can be developed and distributed or, failing that, until we reach herd immunity"

 

[Reasonablehuskerfan]

I think we need to do everything we can do reduce car accidents. That is why I was not in favor of raising the speed limits on Nebraska roads. Who the hell thought that was a good idea. It didn't take a rocket scientist to figure out if you go from 65 to 70 on some 4 lane highways that some people would go from driving 70 to 75 on them. Just stupid.

SOC

Yes- the science said you were right about this, there are limits.
However the science also showed there was no increase in fatal accidents when they moved the national freeway speed limit from 55-65

So trying to get something like traffic deaths to ZERO without considering the cost/benefits wouldnt make any logical sense at all- just like getting something like COVID down to zero without a vaccine in place would be as well. .

 

[Son of Charlie]

Well you could very well be wrong about that as well
NPR had this to say: Kids Get Coronavirus, But Do They Spread It? We'll Find Out When Schools Reopen

Children rarely transmit COVID-19, doctors write in new commentary: Schools can reopen in fall, they say, if safety guidelines are observed and community transmission is low
Science Daily
""The data are striking," said Dr. Raszka. "The key takeaway is that children are not driving the pandemic. After six months, we have a wealth of accumulating data showing that children are less likely to become infected and seem less infectious; it is congregating adults who aren't following safety protocols who are responsible for driving the upward curve."

COVID-19 Transmission and Children: The Child Is Not to Blame
American Academy of Pediatrics
"Almost 6 months into the pandemic, accumulating evidence and collective experience argue that children, particularly school-aged children, are far less important drivers of SARS-CoV-2 transmission than adults. Therefore, serious consideration should be paid toward strategies that allow schools to remain open, even during periods of COVID-19 spread. In doing so, we could minimize the potentially profound adverse social, developmental, and health costs that our children will continue to suffer until an effective treatment or vaccine can be developed and distributed or, failing that, until we reach herd immunity"

Looks like the jury is still out on this.

Young kids could spread COVID-19 as much as older children and adults, study suggests: Findings important to nationwide conversations on reopening schools and daycare

Latest Research Points to Children Carrying, Transmitting Coronavirus

SOC

 

[Jarhead Husker]

There is a balance and we can argue where that is.

But from a goal standpoint I believe we should reduce as much as possible deaths from any cause other than old age.

SOC

Agreed. I would qualify your statement to say we should reduce deaths as much as possible from any cause other than old age, while still benefiting from the activity in question, within the framework of the available funding, and keeping the necessary restrictions to what is acceptable by the general population. The speed limit was raised because even though lawmakers knew it would cause more deaths, they balanced that against human behavior, money/travel time for personal and cargo trips. If the state of Nebraska closes the lakes, there will be less drownings and boat accidents, but they won't do that because it's a balance of risk. It's obvious to anyone that those of us who differ on what should be done with the College football season access risk in a different way, and that is the main point of contention.

 

[GIJoeRed]

I think the Huskers and the Hawkeyes should just play one game. Winner take all.

That would be great if our first B1G Conference Championship was vs. Iowa.

 

[Crazyhole]

Ryan Day: Ohio State will consider conference switch if needed

Nebraska
Ohio St
Michigan
Iowa

Gonna be pretty hard to keep the conference together when those 4 are talking about ignoring the conference edict.

 

[valiantsailor]

Ryan Day: Ohio State will consider conference switch if needed

Nebraska
Ohio St
Michigan
Iowa

Gonna be pretty hard to keep the conference together when those 4 are talking about ignoring the conference edict.

There is no way these guys will leave the B1G. The payday is absolutely too big for that to happen. The posturing going on is deplorable and I do not support the Husker babble coming from Frost either.

 

[Reasonablehuskerfan]

There is no way these guys will leave the B1G. The payday is absolutely too big for that to happen. The posturing going on is deplorable and I do not support the Husker babble coming from Frost either.

Alls the BIG has to do is say they are delaying the start until say 10/1 That gives them room to cancel the season in the last week of September which would make it nearly impossible for the Gang of Four to schedule games outside the four.

Im guessing thats what happens. Like you, I like being a part of the Big10, but this one for all, all for one stuff doesnt fly when we arent a totally homogeneous group. Each has a bit of a different equation and different assets to solve with.

 

[Crazyhole]

There is no way these guys will leave the B1G. The payday is absolutely too big for that to happen. The posturing going on is deplorable and I do not support the Husker babble coming from Frost either.

What is the Big10 going to do? Kick them out because they played football?

 

[justino52]

Alls the BIG has to do is say they are delaying the start until say 10/1 That gives them room to cancel the season in the last week of September which would make it nearly impossible for the Gang of Four to schedule games outside the four.

Im guessing thats what happens. Like you, I like being a part of the Big10, but this one for all, all for one stuff doesnt fly when we arent a totally homogeneous group. Each has a bit of a different equation and different assets to solve with.

That's more and more what every pundit, coach, etc has been saying the last 24 hours. Postpone a decision until the end of...August or middle of September. Let things play out a few more weeks.They can push it to October and still have a 10 game season.

 

[LinvingProog]

It's because we balance risk in everything we do, in all areas of society. We always have, and always will if we want to take advantage of certain technology, certain situations, and benefit from certain ways of life. Benefit vs risk is a conversation that will always be around.....

Your odds of dying in a vehicle accident in the U.S. are 1 in 112. Your odds of dying of COVID-19 are about 1 in 2,500-3,000 and diminishing. Weighing risks is always important. Therefore, DON'T drive a car or ride in a car if attending a game.

 

[valiantsailor]

Your odds of dying in a vehicle accident in the U.S. are 1 in 112. Your odds of dying of COVID-19 are about 1 in 2,500-3,000 and diminishing. Weighing risks is always important. Therefore, DON'T drive a car or ride in a car if attending a game.

There are two parts to the issue, players and attendence. Maybe they wont let fans in.

 

[Removed Spleen of Jordan]

Your odds of dying in a vehicle accident in the U.S. are 1 in 112. Your odds of dying of COVID-19 are about 1 in 2,500-3,000 and diminishing. Weighing risks is always important. Therefore, DON'T drive a car or ride in a car if attending a game.

And, regrettably the leading cause of death for young black men is homicide. They make up a significant percentage of the players this discussion is about. Unfortunately though our media is consumed with concern over the minuscule risk of an adverse outcome they might have with this virus and pays little to no attention to the actual biggest threat to their lives.

 

[Husker21stb]

I think you need to be careful where you want to go with this line of thinking. Excessive obesity and Type 2 diabetes due to poor behavior/dietary choices leads to a myriad of increased health costs for everyone, not to mention higher Covid-19 risk, but do we REALLY want to go down that path?

I am obese and have Type 2 diabetes. I used to be underweight, cycled regularly and played sports.

About 20 years ago, I was diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis. This had a significant impact on my life, because I am an elementary teacher. Elementary schools are freakin' germ factories. You are constantly exposed to bodily fluids with sneezes, hugs, "let's join hands to make a circle," etc . . . I lived far from the school at which I taught, but still cycled to work some days. (1 hour and 15 minute ride.)

I had the option of taking immunosuppressant medication that would alleviate the symptoms so I started doing that. In the first year of my treatment, I was constantly ill, because, while I was not at greater risk of contracting an infection, my immune system didn't let me fight it if I did catch it. I even ended up with pneumonia.

I had a choice to make. I could keep teaching without the meds or find a new job. All of my life I trained to do this one job. It is my passion and my love. I love working with children and felt it was the way I could best contribute in a positive way to society.

I chose to keep teaching. However, without the benefit of medication, my mobility was significantly impacted. I have days when I can't walk or need to use a cane. I tried swimming and cycling, but even the most mild activities are difficult to do some days. Stepping off a curb can be extremely painful and dangerous. I fall more now.

The result is that my activity level dropped, because I was physically incapable of movement on some days. I gained weight. Activity became more difficult. I gained more weight. I got depressed and drank more and ate poorly. I developed Type 2 diabetes.

All this being said, I am completely responsible and accountable for the choices I made. No one made me drink that extra glass of gin or scarf down a Snickers bar. I blame no one else.

My point is, the causes of my health issues aren't entirely rooted in intrinsic laziness. Sometimes things get out of control and you have to work hard to get things back in balance.

I changed jobs last year to just teaching older kids which helps. I went back on medication for arthritis. I've lost a tiny bit of weight, but have a lot more to lose. It will be years. I am now teaching at schools that are within walking/biking distance from my house.

I'm kinda screwed right now, though. I have three risk factors and if I get the virus, I am not statistically in the group that gets to brush this off. I fully anticipate the worse for me if I get it.

Perhaps that is the reason I hope we proceed with caution. We have some data on the virus. We don't know everything. I think we have a responsibility to the most vulnerable members of our society to mitigate the risks as best as possible.

My two cents.

 

[Uenth]

When Covid Subsided, Israel Reopened Its Schools. It Didn’t Go Well.

I googled it and found this. Not really building confidence.

SOC

Sweeden's numbers are not as rosy as some here would like you to think they are. You know the old saying "Liars, Damn Liars and Statisticians"

 

[Uenth]

How many people had interactions with these students and got covid. Did anyone die? Because I call BS on the idea that kids and teens cant "spread" covid.

SOC

You are correct SOC. One only has to look at the Georgia Camp where 200+ kids got C-19.