We all move at our own pace. I’m already at 5, but clearly some people are at 1. And that’s okay. We’ll get to the same place eventually.
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One of the big problems is, very few people have a grasp of the numbers. 140,000 people aren’t dying because 1 kid decided he’s playing
since feb1 to now about 45 people under the age of 15 have died from covid, meanwhile about 13,000 died of other stuff
since feb 1 age under 55 about 11,000 have died of covid, while about 190,0000 died of other stuff. Many having underlying conditions and even with the gross over counting that’s going on in many places. Move the goalposts in 3,2,1
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I thought it would be obvious that my last sentence was tongue in cheek, so my apologies that it wasn’t.
Not knowing who Alex Berenson is, I had to read up on him. The verdict is in...he’s not a reliable source. He’s a spy novelist who has dabbled into unsubstantiated medical claims, and is now making money on pitching contrarian COVID opinions to people who want to believe his message. Just the sort of source to cherry-pick statistics and then create a misleading narrative for his own self benefit.
his numbers come right off the cdc website
Are you doubting the cdc?
Just proves my point
most people are absolutely blown away at the real numbers, they are clueless as to how tiny they are for young people or even under age 55
those are raw accurate numbers, even using the inflated cdc numbers, it’s mind boggling to most
Yes, shutting down our schools when just 45 kids under the age of 15 have died seems insane. When the number is a tiny tiny fraction of the number of kids who have died of other stuff including hundreds from car accidents.
https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Death-Counts-by-Sex-Age-and-S/9bhg-hcku
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Let’s stay on track. I’m questioning the person whose tweet you posted.
I didn’t confirm that he accurately posted numbers straight from the CDC website. If you did, good on you. What I did gather is that he is known as someone who improperly infers causation from correlation, cherry picks data, and has obvious confirmation bias.
Per Wiki (which I freely admit can be untruthful at times) he even had a COVID show that was going to air on Fox News until the surges in cases in the US made it an untenable project.
Yes, let’s stay on track, are those numbers accurate or not, was my post accurate or not? Those numbers came straight from the cdc web site
check for yourself
I’ve been following those numbers by age group since March due to the requirements of my business. They are very well known by some and completely unknown by others , depends on how broad and in depth your news sources have been. Where I’m at, I have to know those numbers.
it’s disappointing so few know the facts, but when you watch the news, many of the broader and in depth facts simply aren’t reported. We can all draw our own conclusions as to why.
check for yourself
I’ve been following those numbers by age group since March due to the requirements of my business. They are very well known by some and completely unknown by others , depends on how broad and in depth your news sources have been. Where I’m at, I have to know those numbers.
it’s disappointing so few know the facts, but when you watch the news, many of the broader and in depth facts simply aren’t reported. We can all draw our own conclusions as to why.
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Yes, justified. Long term damage which translates to higher health care costs for EVERYONE!I think right now it is the myocarditis thing that caused everyone to hit the reset button. It's the long term effects that has everyone scared. Justified?
Are the numbers accurate...and by accurate I mean do the numbers posted by a guy with a BS in History match what’s on the CDC website...maybe. I didn’t look. But let’s be honest, he (and you) isn’t trying to sell me on the numbers. He (and you) is trying to sell me on the narrative that is being built off of the numbers. He clearly has a financial incentive to do so, and he has a history of oddball claims. Both of which immediately make me skeptical.
Do the numbers as posted come with a certainty that the death rate will remain constant, or even decrease? Do the numbers indicate that this rate will hold once you throw hundreds of kids into a confined space for hours on end? Do they come with certainty that specific traits will prevent someone from getting and spreading infections while other traits will guarantee someone will not only catch the virus but have severe consequences? Do they factor in long-term, non-lethal, negative effects?
So if someone is pitching the story, “kids are pretty much safe from the virus, as these low death rates show, so we should reopen schools/play football/fully reopen the economy”, I say “not so fast my friend”.
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I'm not sure how valid the claim of "the average citizen is having trouble getting tested" is. What data do you base that on? Is it in the heavily urbanized areas, rural ones, or what? In Lincoln, they have the one hour test available at the Urgent Care on 72nd and Pioneer Blvd. I used it for my daughter and had the results in a little over an hour. It is a bit more expensive than the standard Covid-19 test I took, which took 3 days for results, but it is nice to have options. CDC has also recently dropped the "2nd negative test" from the requirement for a clean bill of health for Covid-19 positive people, saying it appears unnecessary and has overburdened the testing system. Hopefully that will help open up some more capacity in those areas that may have testing issues..
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I think you need to be careful where you want to go with this line of thinking. Excessive obesity and Type 2 diabetes due to poor behavior/dietary choices leads to a myriad of increased health costs for everyone, not to mention higher Covid-19 risk, but do we REALLY want to go down that path?
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Ya, many policies are trying to prevent the kids from going back and forth from home to school. I would think the Colleges want to avoid that. That's the reasoning to end the semester at Thanksgiving break, in that it eliminates a trip home and back around the holidays. I'm not sure what the acceptable risk level is in all of this, but we need to figure it out at some point if we want to function as a society with some kind of social fabric...viruses/pathogens aren't going anywhere anytime soon...
Yes by all means
Let’s consider the long term mental health issues and subsequent costs facing our kids and adults from isolation. Doesn’t look good
Are We Facing a Post-COVID-19 Suicide Epidemic?
When you look at the numbers from other countries that never closed or have opened back up, the answer is a resounding yes
so as to not be accused of confirmation bias, I’ll let you google it on your own
My God I had no idea that 45 children have died now. That is 45 families who have gone through the most devastating event that one can imagine. A lose of a child is something that no one ever should have to experience, no matter what the cause.
And 11,351 working age American's are gone from our job market. Knowledge and experience that will take time to replace. Lives interrupted and ended. Families devastated. Fathers, Mothers, Brothers, Sisters ect. that where taken too soon.
I also see 45,845 people 85 and older have died. Many of these are American's from the Greatest Generation, who lived through the Great Depression and went off and lost friends and family in World War II. They were willing to fight and die for our country and to defeat Fascism and our world a more peaceful place. We owe it to them to let them live there lives out until they are ready to go. Any lose of one of the Greatest Generation members is a lose of History that can't be recovered.
Anyone lost because of Covid or any other reason is sad and we should minimize those deaths no matter what the cause.
Thanks to Reasonablehusker for bringing these up. They point out in finer detail why we need to step back and find some way to play and open schools that minimizes death at all costs. I think any death caused by this is a failure. By many people all over.
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Yes we need to get these rates down to zero, no matter the cost
One of the leading causes of death in our youth are car accidents
Lets do remote learning and ban kids from riding in cars so there is absolutely no risk of them perishing in an auto accident
One of the leading causes of death in our youth are car accidents
Lets do remote learning and ban kids from riding in cars so there is absolutely no risk of them perishing in an auto accident
When Covid Subsided, Israel Reopened Its Schools. It Didn’t Go Well.
I googled it and found this. Not really building confidence.
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I think we need to do everything we can do reduce car accidents. That is why I was not in favor of raising the speed limits on Nebraska roads. Who the hell thought that was a good idea. It didn't take a rocket scientist to figure out if you go from 65 to 70 on some 4 lane highways that some people would go from driving 70 to 75 on them. Just stupid.
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Myocarditis has also been a long (or short) term documented side effect from various flu strains, in young and old.. It doesn't happen in a very high percentage of cases, but it happens and is not specific to Covid-19...unfortunately it will probably be a side effect of any virus/pathogen that stimulates widespread inflammation in the body.I think right now it is the myocarditis thing that caused everyone to hit the reset button. It's the long term effects that has everyone scared. Justified?
Of course the article says nothing about death rates , because there weren’t a bunch of kids dying
Israel has had just 619 deaths in country of 9,000,000
In Fact no one under the age of 19 has died of COVID in Israel
The average age of those who died was 80.4 and half of those were in assisted living facilities
https://www.israelhayom.com/2020/07/31/number-of-covid-deaths-in-israel-passes-500/
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