There doesn't seem to be any logical sense why the season was canceled.
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There doesn't seem to be any logical sense why the season was canceled.
As I discovered this past weekend, that's easier said than done.
It was supposed to be a covid-safe FISHING trip but it turned out to be anything but one. On Friday night, we had to leave two restaurants when we immediately noticed the waitresses weren't wearing masks. On Saturday, the docks were filled with people and even though our fishing guide saw we were wearing masks asked us if we were okay with him taking his off. On Sunday, I filled my van up with gas and made the mistake of paying inside because I was going to get a cup of coffee too -- only to discover once I was inside that the attendant didn't wear a mask or have a shield in front of her cash register.
I had naively thought most of this stuff we witnessed was required by law but clearly I was wrong.
We're in the midst of an international pandemic and -- as other countries have discovered -- the key to keeping the numbers low is following up on the recommendations of coronavirus scientists and requiring people to wear masks in public and social distance.
That sounds to me like a pretty good science-based reason to shut 'um down. The bottom line is we're trying like hell to force our will on the virus. We saw how successful that turned out to be this summer.
The iron clad science of it all has somehow escaped the notice of the ACC and the Big12 and the SEC. The NBA, MLB and the NFL. The Big Ten and the Pac12 need to share their scientific knowledge with the rest of the sports world.
Right, the two dozen major cities and 20 states I travel to on a regular basis isn't a good barometer. I believe my observations are just as valid as yours.
Let me preface my remarks by saying that my wife and I do wear masks when we are in public. We are in that vulnerable age group. Matter of fact, it's mandated where I live if you go into business establishments. But...
How effective are masks? I don't know. I've read articles from scientists on both sides of the fence. I DO know that my glasses always get fogged up while wearing my mask no matter how much I try to seal it against my face. Obviously, my breath is escaping my mask and going into the air. And the coronavirus is an aerosol. My daughter works in the lab at the Cleveland Clinic. They have to wear masks. But even some of the lab technicians are questioning the efficacy of the masks.
Last week, I was in the local Ace Hardware. The three employees were wearing masks, I was wearing a mask, and a millennial girl was wearing a mask. We were the only people in the store. A guy walked into the store with no mask on, went over to pick up a set of crescent wrenches, and headed to the check-out counter. The millennial spotted him and ran across the store and confronted him. She bumped into him, jabbed his chest with her finger, yelled profanities at him, and threatened to call the police. (As an aside, the girl would have walked out of the store with a broken finger if she had accosted me.) "You're @$%^^ going to kill everyone in the store". The guy apologized. He had stopped to look at some mulch outside the store but decided to go in to get some wrenches, leaving his mask in the car.
Ladies and gentlemen, I don't want some mask Nazi watching my every move and threatening to call the cops if I happen to take my glasses and mask off for a minute so that I can clean my glasses. It's getting that ridiculous.
One more thing. I was walking my dog in the park just this morning. Six or seven guys were tossing the football around. None had masks on. I was at least a hundred yards from them and so was everyone else in the park. The guys were not a threat to anyone. Yet, one lady was wondering if she should call the authorities. If I had to make a choice of being in the park out in the sunshine and fresh air without a mask on or being in an enclosed place with everyone wearing masks and not social distancing, I think I would opt for the park. Just my two cents worth.
How effective are masks? I don't know. I've read articles from scientists on both sides of the fence. I DO know that my glasses always get fogged up while wearing my mask no matter how much I try to seal it against my face. Obviously, my breath is escaping my mask and going into the air. And the coronavirus is an aerosol. My daughter works in the lab at the Cleveland Clinic. They have to wear masks. But even some of the lab technicians are questioning the efficacy of the masks.
Last week, I was in the local Ace Hardware. The three employees were wearing masks, I was wearing a mask, and a millennial girl was wearing a mask. We were the only people in the store. A guy walked into the store with no mask on, went over to pick up a set of crescent wrenches, and headed to the check-out counter. The millennial spotted him and ran across the store and confronted him. She bumped into him, jabbed his chest with her finger, yelled profanities at him, and threatened to call the police. (As an aside, the girl would have walked out of the store with a broken finger if she had accosted me.) "You're @$%^^ going to kill everyone in the store". The guy apologized. He had stopped to look at some mulch outside the store but decided to go in to get some wrenches, leaving his mask in the car.
Ladies and gentlemen, I don't want some mask Nazi watching my every move and threatening to call the cops if I happen to take my glasses and mask off for a minute so that I can clean my glasses. It's getting that ridiculous.
One more thing. I was walking my dog in the park just this morning. Six or seven guys were tossing the football around. None had masks on. I was at least a hundred yards from them and so was everyone else in the park. The guys were not a threat to anyone. Yet, one lady was wondering if she should call the authorities. If I had to make a choice of being in the park out in the sunshine and fresh air without a mask on or being in an enclosed place with everyone wearing masks and not social distancing, I think I would opt for the park. Just my two cents worth.
Ohio mandated everyone wear a mask in public. So I do. Wasn't really that big of a deal.
This is precisely what happens when the "leadership" panics the masses. I live in Medellin Colombia and this entire country has been in a state of mandatory masking, limited days for exercise and shopping based on the last number of one's official I.D, all restaurants and bars closed along with parks and public buildings. This started on March 17th. No international flights, strict weekend quarantine and guess what: Initially Colombia was being considered a model of how to deal with the virus. Now they are in the top 20 of countries in infections and deaths. I guess one could claim it could have been worse, but based upon what science. The virus didn't seem to notice the precautions that the fear mongering leadership put in place. But being a guest in their country, I of course comply.
The millennial obviously knew that the man had C-19, because to acost someone without that ESP knowledge would mean they must have a built in bias or some prejudice probably.
Because why would anyone address another person in such a manner that didn't know a thing about that person? .....Hmmm
In relation to playing football or not the wear a mask and stay six feet apart advice for the general public going about their normal daily lives scenario doesn't apply. Why? Because the football players are all getting tested, A LOT. They know if they have the virus or not when they are practicing or working out with their team mates. When they are done practicing and working out they don their masks and wash their hands and social distance like the rest of us. We've probably all seen them in recent press conferences wearing masks when answering questions in a group. Playing a football game has NOTHING to do with ANY increased risk to them or to you or anyone else. It simply doesn't. Not playing football games might though if the testing protocols relax and the players have more free time on their hands to interact with the general population. If the concern is to keep the players healthy, if that is truly the concern and not a cover for an agenda, then having them in the structure of the fully operational football program is the safest place for them to be just like HCSF said it was. You can make a valid case that in relation to Covid spread that fans at games is problematic. But playing the game itself? No.
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I watched an interview with Lou Holtz yesterday. I thought he was spot on. He stated while college age football players are not immune to the virus, the chances of them having an ill effect from it are statistically zero. He said if you have a condition that puts you at risk, don't play otherwise let those who want to play. With testing and proper controls there is little chance of the virus being spread among the players. In short, there is no valid reason not to have a season.
As for Dr F. I find it curious that anyone who professes to feel the virus is so dangerous would be traveling all over the country. One would think that someone who is concerned would try to limit their contact with others as much as possible. After all that is the only way the virus can be stopped.
As for Dr F. I find it curious that anyone who professes to feel the virus is so dangerous would be traveling all over the country. One would think that someone who is concerned would try to limit their contact with others as much as possible. After all that is the only way the virus can be stopped.
Here is the rub - I think most of us will agree the risk to student athletes is pretty dang small - at least the risk of death. Complications of Covid-19 in young people are less well understood - and this heart condition that the Big 10 seemed to be concerned about is a real risk - but again a small one. Outside of legal risks of playing - I have not seen a good argument for cancelling the season come out of the Big 10 or Pac-12.
University Presidents that supported no athletics may know something we don't - such as just how likely it is campuses will be shut down this Fall - as UNC, Notre Dame and Michigan St have been already - and now Minnesota. But so far - that has not stopped Fall athletics at UNC and ND.
The second thing is the bigger picture community spread. Forecasts for it this Fall are not exactly rosey - and impact on hospitals/doctors is already a problem in some areas. If this is driving the decision making........it sort of does not matter what the risk to players/students is.....the bigger risk to the community takes priority.
The problem I see - is NOBODY is saying that is why it was done - and frankly the entire communication loop that has come to light from the Big 10 is problematic.
Now - if Warren hangs onto his job through December - and nobody finishes the CFB season due to Covid-19 - he is going to look alot smarter than he does right now. Still should be fired for not handling the communication side of this properly (and even misleading key people at conference schools).
University Presidents that supported no athletics may know something we don't - such as just how likely it is campuses will be shut down this Fall - as UNC, Notre Dame and Michigan St have been already - and now Minnesota. But so far - that has not stopped Fall athletics at UNC and ND.
The second thing is the bigger picture community spread. Forecasts for it this Fall are not exactly rosey - and impact on hospitals/doctors is already a problem in some areas. If this is driving the decision making........it sort of does not matter what the risk to players/students is.....the bigger risk to the community takes priority.
The problem I see - is NOBODY is saying that is why it was done - and frankly the entire communication loop that has come to light from the Big 10 is problematic.
Now - if Warren hangs onto his job through December - and nobody finishes the CFB season due to Covid-19 - he is going to look alot smarter than he does right now. Still should be fired for not handling the communication side of this properly (and even misleading key people at conference schools).
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There have been a couple of posts the last 24 hours that have come very close to needing deleted because they are tight rope walking up to personal attacks on other members.
So yes politics is a no go zone and so are personal attacks.
Let this serve as a warning to all. Play nice.
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So yes politics is a no go zone and so are personal attacks.
Let this serve as a warning to all. Play nice.
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I'm already pissed off about losing the season, I sure as heck don't want -- and certainly don't need -- to raise my blood pressure further by arguing with some of my BHF buddies about this virus thing.
But for the life of me, I can't understand why so many people choose to ignore the fact that the United States has handled its response to the coronavirus worse than every other developed country.
Why is that the case? What made our numbers so much larger than other countries if it wasn't wide-spread resistance to mask-wearing and social distancing?
Regarding my personal behavior, my wife and I wear masks in public and social distance. We returned from a cruise in early February just before things got bad. Since then we've pretty much been homebodies until this past month. We've taken two trips: a week stay at an airbnb in the mountains for a change-of-scenery and last weekend's trip to visit my brother-in-law and his wife in Lake Okoboji. If everybody had been behaving, that shouldn't have been a big deal. But we certainly ended up taking more risks that we expected because a lot of people weren't wearing masks.
I don't pretend to be a Saint about this stuff. But if we all did more complying with coronavirus guidelines and less arguing, I suspect this country would be a lot better off right now.
Okay, I've said my piece. 'nuff said.
Exactly. A business owner can refuse service to anyone unless it is an illegal reason.
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Here is the thing that gets under my skin, and it deals more with questions about the big picture I guess. We lose an average of 55,000 people a year to different flu strains, even with an ample supply of vaccines, and no one really says jack sh!t about it, or no alterations are made to how we live our life. There are reminders to wash our hands, and that's about it. Why is everyone willing to now shut everything down, collapse a ton of businesses, keep restrictions in place for months on end, and keep the young, who are not at risk, from doing the things in life that they are passionate about? Our friend, who is a nurse at Bryan hospital, was pissed that everyone is losing their mind over 11 people being hospitalized over Covid-19, when she had max capacity last fall/winter for Flu, with some toddlers and other kids really struggling to make it. So, do we treat Covid-19 hospitalizations as more meaningful because of the constant frenzy that the media keeps whipping up about Covid-19? Is it because we are scared sh!tless over the unknown, even though we have learned a ton about Covid-19 since January? And, will we now react the same way every Flu season, with masks, shutdowns, and cancellations of sports? After all, 55,000 deaths a year is over 200,000 over 4 years, so how far do we go to stop it? We all know damn well that having football games, basketball games, concerts, etc, during Flu season presents a situation where the young will take home Influenza A, H1N1, etc to vulnerable people and cause deaths and hospitalizations because of it, every ...single....Flu season. I would think it's statistically impossible for it to NOT happen. Is it that the 55,000 deaths a year from Flu strains don't matter as much, or what? As far as the Myocarditis, it has been a side effect from Flu, other viruses, and even bad colds for decades. It is rare but Covid-19 doesn't have a corner on the market for it. Why now does such a low risk paralyze us and force us to cancel sports/activities for thousands of young people who pour tons of their life's energy into them, even though there is an immense effort to mitigate the seriousness of Covid-19 consequences?
I've read about Okoboji, maybe in the last week and a half. It is about the worst place in IA to go as it's big time partying and loose with masks.
FWIW, my nieces and their hubbies bought one of those summer home places and rent it out to folks like you and your wife.
I understand what you're saying but it doesn't matter what you personally believe if the majority of people in this country are scared to death about one of their family members catching it -- especially when there isn't a 'cure' or a vaccine.
It's that fear -- not the virus itself -- that put over 15 million Americans out of work and has crippled the travel, entertainment, non-fast food, health club, and sports industries. As long as the fear is real, you can quote statistics up the ying-yang and it's not going to change the public's behavior.
By taking the necessarily precautions to minimize the risks, we speed up the economic recovery. As we saw this spring, forcing the economy to open early hurt more than helped because the virus numbers went way up -- and so did the public's fear -- which, in many states, had us scrambling to reverse course on the whole reopening thing.
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