So ok you all......it's time.....the new era is about to...
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That makes two of us innmc. There are going to be offensive changes that take me out of my comfort range. You've mentioned two of them.......no FB, and a QB that is never under center. FB is one of my favorite positions if used properly. And a qb sneak seems so much more comfortable when you aren't back 5 yards.
"Just win baby".........that's it. Success will make all my fears go away.
To put it simple your just about right.....as things unfolded after they got a chance to dive into who is who and what areas needed immediate attention (which they have a good start at correcting) let's say things are a lot better off than their wildest dreams.....they found more problems than lack of talent let's say......
Doc
Dont be too fast to dismiss the Fullback at Nebraska.....remember UCF didn't have a full back history or specific full back iso plays.... Nebraska did and does.....nothing and I mean NOTHING WILL GUT PUNCH A GOOD DEFENSE THAN A FULLBACK TRAP IN THE 4TH QTR.
IT might evolve......it might change some but you gotta have guys that can hold on to the ball and get you 1-2-3 real tough yards
"HAMMER BACK" is what I think it's called now in this offense the only thing is the H back has got to be able to be that escape valve too and catch the ball for any positive yards rather than a sack or negative yardage......see this is the fantastic thing about Frost Coming home and having access to what really amounts to the Bible of option football......trust me when I say the Infamous "Tenopir Fullback Trap" is not going away anytime soon......
Doc
IT might evolve......it might change some but you gotta have guys that can hold on to the ball and get you 1-2-3 real tough yards
"HAMMER BACK" is what I think it's called now in this offense the only thing is the H back has got to be able to be that escape valve too and catch the ball for any positive yards rather than a sack or negative yardage......see this is the fantastic thing about Frost Coming home and having access to what really amounts to the Bible of option football......trust me when I say the Infamous "Tenopir Fullback Trap" is not going away anytime soon......
Doc
This is good stuff DOC. I knew the talent was there. I figured it was more mental, heart, and want to. Chnage your heart and desire for the positive and you'll get great results.
RB coach Held says it'll be gone, but I have a sneaking suspicion that what you described is more accurate. 'Cause as you know Frost played with a FB who would demoralize the other team when the time was right.
I know our new "Offensive Coordinator" just was quoted as saying in essence that there is no provision in the offense for the Traditional Full back....but we have been seeing a evolution of that position for some time....dating clear back to the 90's .....that's one reason the trap plays worked so well against teams that like to bring big heat off the edge....you have a center and a couple of linemen block down and one traps and then quickly instead of delaying the handoff a beat or 2 you leave it in the belly of the first guy through.... traditionally the full back and if your linemen are getting their blocks and the safety plays up and over there is nothing but green past that first layer.....again this is why in Mike Riley's first year when Uncle Milt (Tenopir) was a regular at practice they started popping the trap play a few times for huge chunks of yards and why that play stood memorial stadium on it's feet.....and gave lots of us reason to hope but with the graduation of certain players that play went out the window and There was no reason for it.....holy crap.....when we used that play and slapped Iowa with it a couple of times.....guess what......the next season they were using that exact same play......so did Wisconsin.......if you have time go back a couple years and look at some film from those games AFTER we started to run that trap play again......it might have a slightly different look or window dressing but by God it's the Tenopir Fullback Trap alright.......and you just don't toss away a play like that.......you run it.....you practice it and you keep it in your arsenal.....it's a great change of style play.....If you get what I am suggesting here.....I don't have the inside track on this by any means but it just makes good sense to say your eliminating the traditional "Fullback" spot in favor of a hybrid "H" back.....I prefer the term "the Hammer" back but as long as it's still part of our arsenal......who cares what they want to call it.....
Look we have all seen the Carnage a good short yardage back can leave in his wake......you get what amounts to a midget lineman say 260 - 280 lb guy with decent speed but he has a really quick accelerating, powerful first .......say 5 yard burst and that guy starts dragging your Linebackers only a yard or 2 at first but as this particular drive wears on.....what was only 2 yard gain is becoming a 4-5 yard gain.....your big man is hitting those guys and it hurts......and just like shooting a high power big caliber rifle too many times in a row you start to flinch .......then that flinch turns into a twitch.....and perdy quick your big man is getting the matador ole' tackling from the defense.....not only are they on their heals......they are getting the heck outa his way so they don't get smacked by him anymore......sad thing about this very scenario.....I sat and watched it done to us more than once since 2003.....and I hope to God above I never have to see it done to us again ever......what is hardest to swallow about that whole scenario I just laid out for you is......it's the exact thing that we......the NEBRASKA CORNHUSKERS used to do to people every week........and to think that this staff will go away from that is just ridiculous.....Our head coach knows all to well the psychology of the game......cause he learned it from the best there ever was.
Go Big Red
Doc.
Look we have all seen the Carnage a good short yardage back can leave in his wake......you get what amounts to a midget lineman say 260 - 280 lb guy with decent speed but he has a really quick accelerating, powerful first .......say 5 yard burst and that guy starts dragging your Linebackers only a yard or 2 at first but as this particular drive wears on.....what was only 2 yard gain is becoming a 4-5 yard gain.....your big man is hitting those guys and it hurts......and just like shooting a high power big caliber rifle too many times in a row you start to flinch .......then that flinch turns into a twitch.....and perdy quick your big man is getting the matador ole' tackling from the defense.....not only are they on their heals......they are getting the heck outa his way so they don't get smacked by him anymore......sad thing about this very scenario.....I sat and watched it done to us more than once since 2003.....and I hope to God above I never have to see it done to us again ever......what is hardest to swallow about that whole scenario I just laid out for you is......it's the exact thing that we......the NEBRASKA CORNHUSKERS used to do to people every week........and to think that this staff will go away from that is just ridiculous.....Our head coach knows all to well the psychology of the game......cause he learned it from the best there ever was.
Go Big Red
Doc.
I've read articles where a lot of football experts have analyzed -- and lauded -- Frost's UCF offense, particularly the run game. They've pointed out is that what Scott ran at UCF had a number of notable changes, particularly in blocking assignments, from Kelly's Oregon offense which, in their opinion, made them harder for defenses to defend against.
Some of you may recall one web article that was posted here that showed actual plays and their blocking schemes.
Along the same lines of Doc Holliday's comments about a Hammerback, it's easy to imagine Frost designing ways to incorporate more and more of the Husker's traditional power running game into his up-tempo offense.
Some of you may recall one web article that was posted here that showed actual plays and their blocking schemes.
Along the same lines of Doc Holliday's comments about a Hammerback, it's easy to imagine Frost designing ways to incorporate more and more of the Husker's traditional power running game into his up-tempo offense.
Seriously it just makes sense for this offense to keep moving forward....Coach Osborne never just stuck to one old dusty playbook.....each off season (of course after his few short fishing trips were out of the way....) He would pour over hours upon hours of film from all over the country looking at new plays and new ways.....his staff was encouraged to be proactive in their thinking.....he didn't want an up hill battle like we had when the switch to the 4-3 defense and speedy guys at every position possible was made.....he learned the lesson the hard way that to be in contention outside our own Conference we needed to stay up with the direction football in general was trending.....he always knew I his heart we had a very difficult offense to defend against.....but our defense needed help.....we could score at will against about any team in the country but we didn't have the right scheme or personnel on the roster on defense to stop them from scoring at will on us......once the new defense was installed and we started to get the right core group of guys to run it......man has things changed since then......now it's the 3-4 hybrid Defensive scheme geared to stop the spread pro teams of today.....that Chinander runs.
It makes perfect sense since Frost is back home now where there is a virtual treasure trove of option offense created by the man who many (including all us who played for him) consider the greatest option offensive mind of our time.....he honestly has volumes of plays drawn up complete with blocking scheme's......and of those we have seen......the most amazing thing is......there is perhaps 3 times that many plays and formations written down and drawn up that have never been tried .......yet.......
This was no huge secret if you were a player .....and I know Coach Frost has publicly made mention of this subject a couple of times already.
What is really exciting to me is......just how far Coach Frost and his staff can utilize all this valuable information.....and how far they can take what they have at their disposal and develop this new Husker Speed Option Game......there is just so many positive things and exciting new directions to go now that we have people who "Get It".....and finally understand the true possibilities that's right in front of them and run with it......true we will more than likely see the death of alot of old favorite plays and formations.....but the really cool thing is they will get replaced with similar updated ideas......after all in today's world.....being an outside the box thinker is a good thing......so keep your eyes open and your D.V.R.'s set to record the spring game......cause your gonna want to remember this up coming spring season a long...LONG TIME......
GO BIG RED !
Doc.
It makes perfect sense since Frost is back home now where there is a virtual treasure trove of option offense created by the man who many (including all us who played for him) consider the greatest option offensive mind of our time.....he honestly has volumes of plays drawn up complete with blocking scheme's......and of those we have seen......the most amazing thing is......there is perhaps 3 times that many plays and formations written down and drawn up that have never been tried .......yet.......
This was no huge secret if you were a player .....and I know Coach Frost has publicly made mention of this subject a couple of times already.
What is really exciting to me is......just how far Coach Frost and his staff can utilize all this valuable information.....and how far they can take what they have at their disposal and develop this new Husker Speed Option Game......there is just so many positive things and exciting new directions to go now that we have people who "Get It".....and finally understand the true possibilities that's right in front of them and run with it......true we will more than likely see the death of alot of old favorite plays and formations.....but the really cool thing is they will get replaced with similar updated ideas......after all in today's world.....being an outside the box thinker is a good thing......so keep your eyes open and your D.V.R.'s set to record the spring game......cause your gonna want to remember this up coming spring season a long...LONG TIME......
GO BIG RED !
Doc.
The 2 biggest concerns of mine are how fast the guys can get the tempo and conditioning down to run the offense the way the staff wants it run.....and just how good our Defense can really be.....is what I will be watching the most.
Good point about this is the type Offense were going to run is it's a BIG equalizer......YOU as a team having to play against us can have the greatest and bestest players with a whole roster of guys with 5 stars by their name but if they are not ready for the pace were going to run......well it's going to be ugly for them period....... I don't care how good they are on paper....it's between the sidelines that matters .......
The only team in the Big Ten that has even a clue what they are up against is Harbaugh and Meechicken.....cause they played UCF the first year Frost was there......yes they won that game but it was ugly and honestly if they had to play last year's UCF team......it would have been a complete different outcome and UCF would still have an un beaten season on the books......and people in Michigan would be getting very nervous asking if Harbaugh is really worth 6 million dollars......
I have a sneaking suspicion that a lot of so called high powered big name teams are going to be asking themselves the same thing come the end of this coming season after playing us.....
Doc.
Good point about this is the type Offense were going to run is it's a BIG equalizer......YOU as a team having to play against us can have the greatest and bestest players with a whole roster of guys with 5 stars by their name but if they are not ready for the pace were going to run......well it's going to be ugly for them period....... I don't care how good they are on paper....it's between the sidelines that matters .......
The only team in the Big Ten that has even a clue what they are up against is Harbaugh and Meechicken.....cause they played UCF the first year Frost was there......yes they won that game but it was ugly and honestly if they had to play last year's UCF team......it would have been a complete different outcome and UCF would still have an un beaten season on the books......and people in Michigan would be getting very nervous asking if Harbaugh is really worth 6 million dollars......
I have a sneaking suspicion that a lot of so called high powered big name teams are going to be asking themselves the same thing come the end of this coming season after playing us.....
Doc.
I have Hawkeye fans use that line all the time--I tell them, where they are concerned, the N stands for eNvy
GBR
Count me in with that too. After three years of "Beaver ball" with our Oline being pathetic beyond belief.....I'm fully ready to see improvement. The more the better!
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Frost's offense doesn't have a fullback at all. They do use an H-Back which is in essence a TE who moves around a lot. Sometimes this is or can be referred to as a flex-back.
I'm going to give you a link to some very good videos that explain how the Oregon offense operates. These are from a very knowledgeable group called FishDuck most of whom are ex-coaches.
I'm going to give you a link to some very good videos that explain how the Oregon offense operates. These are from a very knowledgeable group called FishDuck most of whom are ex-coaches.
Frost's offense doesn't consist "just" of Oregon's offense however; Frost also borrows from Malzahn, and Meyers, he even incorporates some variations on the triple option (still not using the FB however).
Frost is very different from many of his prior coaching associates in several ways however, especially in some of his blocking schemes.
Frost is very different from many of his prior coaching associates in several ways however, especially in some of his blocking schemes.
Agreed, although it should be noted that he actually doesn't a ton of different blocking schemes. I believe i read that he only implemented 3 or 4 in his first year at UCF but gained a ton of multiplicity by changing up the hot reads and who the defender being targeted from play to play. In essence, he made the job of his linemen much easier by taking on a more cerebral role himself. In that way, it's similar to what Osborne did.
Frost and the staff talked this week about how they are going faster with introducing the offense this year than what they did at UCF. In part this is because they themselves are more comfortable with the offense than they were in the first year at UCF. They have figured out what they want and how to teach it to the players quickly. They already have introduced more blocking schemes than what they did at UCF in the first year. The difference is how the schemes are being taught. Watch the video I just uploaded on the new thread I started, lots of good stuff there.
