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For those of you against hiring Scott Frost his team is 5-0

Beat FIU 61-17
Beat MD 38-10
Beat Memphis 40-13
Beat Cincy 51-23 game called after the 3rd quarter.
Beat ECU 63-21

I know these are all teams they should beat however it's how they are beating them. Like a drum. UCF doesn't have the talent we do and yet we struggled to beat Ark St and lost to NIU. The man knows how to coach. He's been a HC for 1 1/2 seasons. Riley 20+ seasons and Riley can't get this team to play consistent hard nosed, dominant football.
 
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I can see this being a good option, but there are a couple of things that give me pause. #1. His coaching staff. Does a 3rd year head coach have the clout to bring in an all star at pretty much every spot, because that is what we need. In our program, you are never going to get even classes filled with 4 star talent so you really are going to have to outcoach and out develop the rest of the Big 10 at every position. Even looking at Urban, I had to laugh at how bad that offense was with Beck as OC and how NFL worthy it looks now tha he’s gone. As you look at the cast of all stars in that staff, it’s just sickening, that staff plus all the best talent. It’s going to take a lot to be competitive with that. #2 his apparent distaste for the recruiting game. If he truly isn’t into that part of the college football game, he isn’t our guy either. We need horses, and I really think that is the more glaring problem with the team right now. One thing I do think he would instill is the right attitude, but even so, this team is 2 years away from being able to leave behind the beaten puppy demeanor and I’d guess at least 5 years out from actually believing in thier core that they are the baddest mos on the field. I think Frost is going to have to force himself to find recruiting passion no matter where he goes if he is wants to lead a major program. I can only hope he can has the pull to bring in an A level staff. And of course, the final HUGE question mark, does he even want to be here?
 
Husker03;n154533 said:
I can see this being a good option, but there are a couple of things that give me pause. #1. His coaching staff. Does a 3rd year head coach have the clout to bring in an all star at pretty much every spot, because that is what we need. In our program, you are never going to get even classes filled with 4 star talent so you really are going to have to outcoach and out develop the rest of the Big 10 at every position. Even looking at Urban, I had to laugh at how bad that offense was with Beck as OC and how NFL worthy it looks now tha he’s gone. As you look at the cast of all stars in that staff, it’s just sickening, that staff plus all the best talent. It’s going to take a lot to be competitive with that. #2 his apparent distaste for the recruiting game. If he truly isn’t into that part of the college football game, he isn’t our guy either. We need horses, and I really think that is the more glaring problem with the team right now. One thing I do think he would instill is the right attitude, but even so, this team is 2 years away from being able to leave behind the beaten puppy demeanor and I’d guess at least 5 years out from actually believing in thier core that they are the baddest mos on the field. I think Frost is going to have to force himself to find recruiting passion no matter where he goes if he is wants to lead a major program. I can only hope he can has the pull to bring in an A level staff. And of course, the final HUGE question mark, does he even want to be here?

If he doesn't like recruiting then no he wouldn't be a good option. However know one really knows if he does or doesn't like recruiting. He recruited pretty well from what I remember at Oregon. We need a coach that can not only coach, but recruit well, out coach his opponent, and dang it win ball games. :fat:
 
SUHnami;n154534 said:
If he doesn't like recruiting then no he wouldn't be a good option. However know one really knows if he does or doesn't like recruiting. He recruited pretty well from what I remember at Oregon. We need a coach that can not only coach, but recruit well, out coach his opponent, and dang it win ball games. :fat:

Not positive but his reputation indicates he doesn’t enjoy the recruiting game. But luckily there is a whole department for that here
 
SUHnami;n154531 said:
For those of you against hiring Scott Frost his team is 5-0

Beat FIU 61-17
Beat MD 38-10
Beat Memphis 40-13
Beat Cincy 51-23 game called after the 3rd quarter.
Beat ECU 63-21

I know these are all teams they should beat however it's how they are beating them. Like a drum. UCF doesn't have the talent we do and yet we struggled to beat Ark St and lost to NIU. The man knows how to coach. He's been a HC for 1 1/2 seasons. Riley 20+ seasons and Riley can't get this team to play consistent hard nosed, dominant football.

Sadly, Central Florida would throttle Nebraska right now. It's that bad.
 
Ok I will bite.......on second thought....nope I REALLY HOPE YOU GUYS GET WHAT YOU WANT.....BUT.....DONT COME CRYING TO THE FORUM HERE WHEN YOU DO AND IT BLOWS UP IN YOUR FACES.....YOU THINK WE GOT EMBARRASSED BY Wisconsin and used as a training scrimmage by Ohio St......you have not seen NUTTHIN YET.....the wholesale bail outs of current players like you will , neither have you seen turmoil like you will see if your Sandy haired saviour gets his foot in the door.....man you guys just don't get it do you.....

SCOTT FROST HAS NO INTEREST IN COMING BACK HERE (THANK GOD ABOVE)
SCOTT FROST LIKES THE SOUTH FLORIDA AREA DUE TO THE SHEAR NUMBERS OF "HIS KIND OF PLAYERS"
SCOTT FROST HAS HIS EYE FIRMLY SET ON THE SEC AND 2 OR 3 JOBS THERE HE IS VERY INTERESTED IN....TEXAS A&M is not among them either by the way....but you guys go ahead and keep drinking the Kool aid you been drinking and when all this crap is done we will see who was right and who was wrong.


Just so it's clear this is my last word on Scott Frost period till we see who was right....so now you can go back to smokin what ever it is you been smokin and drinking that South Beach Kool-Aid.....why don't you go start up your own Scott Frost for Nebraska site and forum ......hey there that's an Idea.....yeah....!


Doc.
 
Doc Holiday;n154542 said:
Ok I will bite.......on second thought....nope I REALLY HOPE YOU GUYS GET WHAT YOU WANT.....BUT.....DONT COME CRYING TO THE FORUM HERE WHEN YOU DO AND IT BLOWS UP IN YOUR FACES.....YOU THINK WE GOT EMBARRASSED BY Wisconsin and used as a training scrimmage by Ohio St......you have not seen NUTTHIN YET.....the wholesale bail outs of current players like you will , neither have you seen turmoil like you will see if your Sandy haired saviour gets his foot in the door.....man you guys just don't get it do you.....

SCOTT FROST HAS NO INTEREST IN COMING BACK HERE (THANK GOD ABOVE)
SCOTT FROST LIKES THE SOUTH FLORIDA AREA DUE TO THE SHEAR NUMBERS OF "HIS KIND OF PLAYERS"
SCOTT FROST HAS HIS EYE FIRMLY SET ON THE SEC AND 2 OR 3 JOBS THERE HE IS VERY INTERESTED IN....TEXAS A&M is not among them either by the way....but you guys go ahead and keep drinking the Kool aid you been drinking and when all this crap is done we will see who was right and who was wrong.


Just so it's clear this is my last word on Scott Frost period till we see who was right....so now you can go back to smokin what ever it is you been smokin and drinking that South Beach Kool-Aid.....why don't you go start up your own Scott Frost for Nebraska site and forum ......hey there that's an Idea.....yeah....!


Doc.

Once again Doc I am going to ask you to show me where Scott Frost has said he doesnt want to come here. And wouldnt EVERY coach like to be able to recruit players and be home every night??? Doesnt mean he wont hit the trail if he gets a job somewhere else. I doubt UCF is his destination job. And where has he stated he wants to coach in the SEC.
I am not a Scott Frost first fan, but he is doing a good job where he is and I would be willing to give him a shot. I was against it three years ago when Riley was hired as I didnt think we wanted to hire a guy for his first HC job. Still not 100% sold on him but no longer 100% against him either. If he comes I will back him but not throwing my money out to get him here either.
 
Its obvious Doc didn't like Scott while he was here. Frost is the top coaching candidate in college football right now who is looking to move up. He also knows NU and his parents live here. He played here and his dad played here. Why wouldn't he want to come home? Frost+NU+2018
 
The only thing that makes Scott Frost NOT appear to be the most logical, best for the state, perfect fit to take over the Huskers is DOC's warnings. And yet, I still am wary of Frost getting the nod (lol noting that in no way shape or form would ever get to have any input on the decision) because of Doc's well protected uber insider knowledge. Even other's from the same group of teammates openly support Frost. A guy cannot have a better pedigree, proven track record, and championship level experience than Scott Frost. It literally seems the only place that doesn't immediately want him is Lincoln, Bama, and about 5 other top schools.

Obviously there is something there, Frost has talked with the administration a few times over the last 7 years, and not been given the nod. Maybe because he didn't want to take a lateral position? Wish Doc would share the scoop.

Frost from 12 years ago, (and please tell me any Husker you know that EVER changes) ...https://scout.com/college/nebraska/.../Scott-Frosts-thoughts-12-years-ago-108854835
 
schestev;n154555 said:
Its obvious Doc didn't like Scott while he was here. Frost is the top coaching candidate in college football right now who is looking to move up. He also knows NU and his parents live here. He played here and his dad played here. Why wouldn't he want to come home? Frost+NU+2018

I don't have any inside info, but I'd be pretty surprised if Frost is head coach at NU in the near future,,barring Dr. Tom personally asking him to come back.

I don't think he's scared of the challenge, but I think he remembers how poorly some of the fans and his team mates treated him. He may have have a sour taste in his mouth, yet .
 
The two ADs being mentioned most prominently are Mullins from Oregon and White from UCF. If true, that makes it sound like Scott is picking the guy he wants.
Don't shoot the messenger. Remember, I said, "if true".
 
I'd prefer a guy with more experience. We've gone every route but a proven head coach or a coach from a group of 5 school.
if it is Frost I'm behind him...like I have been with every new coach. I'm just not sure he has the experience yet. Oh well. Exciting times ahead.
 
cornstar;n154565 said:
I don't have any inside info, but I'd be pretty surprised if Frost is head coach at NU in the near future,,barring Dr. Tom personally asking him to come back.

I don't think he's scared of the challenge, but I think he remembers how poorly some of the fans and his team mates treated him. He may have have a sour taste in his mouth, yet .

11/10/05

Scott's Thoughts by Scott Frost



Sometimes I think that I care too much. I was in Lawrence on Saturday and I saw our guys go down in defeat at the hands of a team that we had beaten every year for almost four decades. I can’t tell you how hard it was to watch. Seeing Jayhawk fans yelling and jeering and storming the field made my stomach turn. Now in the wake of that loss I have been hearing all sorts of opinions about what is going wrong and what should be changed. Some of them make some sense and some are ridiculous. People everywhere I go are asking me for my views on the program. I certainly don’t have all of the answers, but I can offer you some of my feelings as a former player who has bled, sweat, thrown-up, cried, fought, been criticized, been vindicated, and been a part of a champion while wearing Husker red. I have concerns and a few problems with some of the things that have happened surrounding our beloved program. I have talked to a lot of other players and they have the same concerns. I cannot speak for any of them or for anyone else, but I think people would like to know how ex-players feel, and I think that my opinions probably reflect those of most of the guys who have been a part of Husker football.



Let me begin by reiterating that the reason so many of us are so frustrated is that we care so much. That concern is what sets Nebraska apart. I started my career at another institution where it is not nearly as rare to go five and six, and I’ve seen first hand how much more passion there is surrounding Husker football than almost every other program in the country. Sometimes I don’t think that some of the people in the program right now knew what they were getting themselves into when they signed up to come here. That leads me to my first major concern about what is happening at Memorial Stadium- the complete and intentional departure and detachment from anything that had to do with the way it was.



Let’s start with the people. We didn’t just get a new coaching staff two years ago, there was basically a house cleaning. So many of the people in South stadium who made Nebraska what it was either left or were forced to leave that many of us as former players do not even feel comfortable coming around the campus anymore. That’s a shame. It was commonplace when I was playing to have ex-players like Cory Schlessinger, Tyrone Williams, and Will Shields come to meetings or compete against us in passing league. Now, most guys don’t even know who to call if they want to watch a practice. I know they kept Coach Gill around when they brought in the new staff and he was a link to the past, but he moved on. Jimmy Williams and Marvin Sanders weren’t asked to return. Their excellent coaching abilities aside, it sure would be nice to have someone like them on the staff that is familiar with the traditions of Nebraska football.



It isn’t just university employees either, it’s also the players. When we won the national championship in 1997, nine out of our eleven starters on offense were from the state of Nebraska. We had a system in place that was able to organize and develop more athletes, therefore there were more players on a Nebraska practice field than most schools normally have. A great number of those players were walk-ons from the state of Nebraska who would give their heart and soul for the football team. Not only did that create a team that cared more about winning, it also made for a huge amount of caring and involvement throughout the state. When you live in a town like Funk, Nebraska, and you know Kyle Larson personally, it generates a sense of pride in our state for a program that could take boys from our own hometowns and develop them into players who could compete with and beat anyone. I’m all for going to California and Florida to recruit great players. Heaven knows we need guys like Marlon Lucky and Harrison Beck to make us better, but I also wish we wouldn’t stop making the effort to bring home-grown athletes along as Huskers.



If you want more proof about the complete overhaul of Nebraska football, look at some of the small things. Why after so many years did “Husker Power” fail to be a worthy slogan for our team? Now it’s “the power of red”. Why did the program where the coaches went to Lincoln, Omaha, and a town out west to show loyal fans the game film end? Talk about a way to help keep fans interested and loyal (fundraising!). Even Herbie Husker got an overhaul from blonde to brunette. It almost feels like anything that symbolizes or relates to the Huskers of Devaney, Osborne, and Solich was simply not good enough anymore.



That leads me to the next major concern that I have right now-its character. I’m not making this point to attack or demean anyone. I just know the kind of character that people throughout the program used to have. It all started with Tom Osborne. The man simply has more honor and integrity than anyone I have ever known. When he knew something was right, he did it. When he knew something was wrong, he always stayed away. I never once got cursed at by a Nebraska coach on the football field. Our coaches had a biblical devotional every morning before they started their meetings. Tom would never promise a recruit playing time, he would simply tell them that they would get a fair opportunity to show what they could do. The best complement that you could get from him is that you were “a pretty good player”. He’s the kind of guy that could lead a group of people to accomplish the absolute most that they were capable of accomplishing.



The character didn’t just end with Tom either. Ron Brown and Turner Gill are two of the best people I know. Milt Tenopir was like a father to most of the guys who played for him. The relationship that Charlie had with most of his guys, while slightly different, was wonderful. It was like a big family, and that environment made us all want to work harder and succeed that much more. We simply did things better and cleaner at the University of Nebraska than they did it anywhere else. There was an element of class about the program that was the envy of every other college football team.



I want to become a college football coach, and I plan on looking for a place to start a career in that field after this season is over. A few months ago I told Ron Brown that I wanted to coach. His advice to me was that if I was getting into coaching just to try to win games and be around football, then it wasn’t worth it. It would drive me crazy and the hours wouldn’t be justified. If I was going to coach on the other hand, with my primary goal being to try and impact the lives of the guys that you work with than the job could be more rewarding than almost anything else I could do. I’m paraphrasing a little bit, but you get the point. I really think that for most of the staff, winning was a goal that was secondary to shaping us as players into good men. I’m not saying things are different now, I don’t know. I would just hate to see us become like everybody else in college football. We have always been special, and I hope we always will be.



Building on that point, I would like to add this. It is not fair to be calling for the firing of any of our coaches right now. Everyone is entitled to their opinions about how things are going on the field, but we owe these guys a fair chance to get things turned around. If I was a coach that took over a program like Nebraska I would feel like I deserved at least three or four years to fully integrate my philosophies and tactics as a coach and leader. Granted there probably needs to be signs of improvement along the way, but it’s not fair to be talking about a change right now. It also doesn’t make sense to be firing so many arrows at the staff in the middle of the season. These guys have a job to do, and the fewer distractions they have, the better they will perform. On top of that, we don’t want the players feeling like they are in the midst of a firestorm. We don’t want them worried that they might have a new coach in a year or two or three. I have heard rumors that some of our vaunted freshmen are kicking around the idea of transferring. We can’t lose these kids. Whoever is coaching needs talented players. There is a time and a place for everything. If things haven’t improved by the end of the ’06 season then maybe people should voice their opinions on who is the right person to lead our program, but not right now. Now is the time that we should be supporting our team and our players so that they understand that they are a part of something special.



People always ask me what I think about the West Coast Offense. I simply say this. They are going to have to prove to me that it is the best way to win in Lincoln, Nebraska before I believe it. I’m not saying it can’t work. There are all sorts of different kinds of offensive systems that work in college football; everything from Utah’s spread offense to USC’s west coast, to Air Force’s option attack. If you have the right players and you coach your system well, most offenses can be successful. You can’t argue with the success that the WCO has had at both the collegiate and professional levels. It can work, but the jury is still out as to whether it will work here. On the other hand, I hear people arguing that a running and or option attack like the one we used to run is outdated and won’t work anymore. Let me tell you something- not that much has changed since the mid-nineties. The athletes are not that much bigger and stronger. Einstein didn’t come back to life and invent a defense that can stop a properly run belly option. Like I said, any system can work if you teach the right players the right way. That being said, there were reasons why Tom Osborne ran the system that he did (reference my blog from 9/14). You don’t have to throw the ball every down to win. You don’t have to run it every down either, but some kind of running game sure would help.





Finally, my biggest frustration as a former player is the way in which some decisions have been made by the administration as well as the way some things have been handled. It is hard for me to comment on some of these situations because I have heard most of the stories second and third hand, but there are a few things I feel alright talking about. The first is the dismissal of the old coaching staff. I’m not sure exactly what happened, but I know that some of those people were not treated very well and not given a fair chance. There were a lot of Nebraskans who wanted to see a change in the coaching staff when Frank was in charge. Whether you wanted a change or not, you have to agree that those guys deserved to be treated with respect and they deserved to have the administration be up front with them. From letters slipped under doors to pointless and insincere interviews, the whole process seemed to be devious and harmful to a lot of people that many of us as former players are loyal to.



After the firing of these people, the search for a new coach began. It was this process that left many of us confused and agitated, because it was done solely and completely by one man. Most major programs, when they hire a new coach, will put together a search committee. There are people who are loyal to our program who would have been tremendous resources in the selection process. I would have loved to have seen a committee made up of gentlemen such as Tom Osborne, Charlie McBride, Monte Kiffin, Ahman Green, Grant Wistrom, Mike Minter, Barry Alvarez, and Al Papik help identify the best candidate to take over our program. I guarantee that when Notre Dame picked a new head coach last year, more than one person was in on the decision. It’s just hard for me to believe that someone who probably couldn’t draw up an over front or and under front is the best person to pick a football coach. I actually think that things could have ended up worse, especially when you consider some of the other coaches that were rumored to have planes waiting at their local airports.



The decision was made; our program is headed in a completely new direction. Now we all have to deal with it. All of us, including the administration. If those guys get things turned around and we start winning games and championships than everyone will look like a genius. If things don’t turn around, then we all know where the majority of the criticism will be directed. I know as a quarterback that when the team did well, I got a lot more praise than I deserved. When the team didn’t do well, far more than my rightful share of the blame fell on my shoulders. It goes with the territory. Steve Pedersen brought that on himself when he was so cavalier in making these tough decisions. Right or wrong, hero or villain, he took a big risk and painted himself into a tight corner. Time will tell how everyone is viewed in the history of our program.



I know I am not the only one who feels this way about all of these issues. Most of the guys that I played with are more vocal than I am about many of these things. It isn’t just former players either. I know the stadium project hasn’t raised all of the money that they need yet. There are several people, and most of us know who they are, who could write a check tomorrow to have the whole facility finished. They’re not doing it because they are not happy with the state of affairs at South Stadium. I love Nebraska football. I love the state of Nebraska. I long for the days when the characteristics of the team we put on the field on Saturdays exemplified the characteristics of the hard working people of our state. We used to have the Taj mahal of college football programs. Now it feels like someone took 40 tons of dynamite to our proud and noble masterpiece and built a three bedroom ranch in its place. I’m not saying all of these things to be malicious or overly critical of anyone, but when it comes to a state institution, people have the right to be judgmental. I just want to share my opinions with all of the Husker fans out there who care as much about the program as I do.


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SalinaHusker;n154558 said:
Doc, I think most everybody here isn't going to understand the personal issues you have with Frost. Especially if you don't want to share the details of why.

I ain't doc, so this is speculative. But I think it goes back to the Frost/L.P thing. This is just a guess after reading a lot of posts
 
Something to consider about the "Scott Frost isn't experienced enough" line of thought. In college football today, G5 coaches dont get time. If they show potential they get scooped up quick. Take a look at coaching changes the past two years.

Tom Herman: 1 year at a G5 before taking Texas job

Jim McElwain: 2 years at a G5 before taking Florida job

Dino Babers: 1 year at a G5 before taking Syracuse job

Justin Fuente: 3 years at a G5 before taking VT job

Matt Campbell: 3 years at a G5 before taking Iowa St. job

Jeff Brohm: 2 years at a G5 before taking Purdue job

Matt Campbell: 3 years at a G5 before taking Baylor job

PJ Fleck: 3 years at a G5 before taking Minn job

The one exception to this is Willie Taggert, but he took longer to turn his team around.

And realistically, a G5 up-and-comer is going to be the most experience you can probably get out of a potential HC. The other option is a big time coordinator, who would probably have no HC experience. The chances of stealing a good P5 coach seem slim right now.

If you ask me 2 years is enough time to make the move.
 
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Blackshirts093;n154615 said:
Something to consider about the "Scott Frost isn't experienced enough" line of though. In college football today, G5 coaches dont get time. If they show potential they get scooped up quick. Take a look at coaching changes the past two years.

Tom Herman: 1 year at a G5 before taking Texas job

Jim McElwain: 2 years at a G5 before taking Florida job

Dino Babers: 1 year at a G5 before taking Syracuse job

Justin Fuente: 3 years at a G5 before taking VT job

Matt Campbell: 3 years at a G5 before taking Iowa St. job

Jeff Brohm: 2 years at a G5 before taking Purdue job

Matt Campbell: 3 years at a G5 before taking Baylor job

PJ Fleck: 3 years at a G5 before taking Minn job

The one exception to this is Willie Taggert, but he took longer to turn his team around.

And realistically, a G5 up-and-comer is going to be the most experience you can probably get out of a potential HC. The other option is a big time coordinator, who would probably have no HC experience. The chances of stealing a good P5 coach seem slim right now.

If you ask me 2 years is enough time to make the move.

Good post-- I've hired a lot of young sales guys over the years, and one thing I always considered is their ceiling--not all of them worked out, but some were sensational--I would much rather hire a young guy with a high ceiling, than an experienced guy that will never be more than average

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