Scott Frost...clean out your office. 4 seasons with no winning seasons
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Interesting take innmc. Honestly I don't follow Ky football at all and knew nothing of his previous struggles. Just tuned in tonight and they look pretty good. My comment was a knee jerk reaction to how they look tonight. Thanks for setting me straight!
I can accept that. Sorry I wasn't more succinct but you are absolutely correct!
Last time I checked, TO never won less than 9 games. In 6 years as a HC, SF has had 1, count 'em 1 9 win season; but, perhaps, I was watching the wrong games -- dunno
I'll play. Obviously the "new product" is just new to the salesman, not to the world. In fact, the quality of said product had decreased significantly over the previous years (before he joined the company). More defects than the new salesman actually knew when he took the job. He went to work anyway. Making the company aware of the defects that were making customers unhappy and doing everything in his power to improve the product and improve sales. As it turned out, the product quality started to improve, and sales were not yet improving. As it turned out, the quality of the product had turned a lot of customers off in the years before he became a salesman. He hasn't given up. He hates losing every sale with a passion. You can see how he has helped the company find direction after being lost, and you are hopeful that the tide will turn soon. Obviously, at some point, you will have to cut him loose if he doesn't provide results. You choose to give him a little more time. It feels like everything is so close.
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I've said it before... this team is on the cusp of amazing. I remember five years ago when #6 Ohio State destroyed #10 Nebraska 62-3. At the time, I felt the first step was to have a Nebraska team that would hang with the top ranked teams. Following today, FOUR of Nebraska's losses are to top 8 ranked teams and all by 9 points or less. That doesn't excuse losses to Purdue and Illinois. We are finally there. We are hanging with the top 10 teams.
Next step. Win those games. Do I have concerns about how that might happen? Yes. Will it be time to cut loose from Frost at some point if things don't improve greatly? Yes. How long? I'm absolutely willing to give it through the 2022 season. The entire turnaround was delayed because a thunderstorm cancelled a game, then a pandemic crushed most of season 3. I expected improvement faster than this, and I realize now that may have been foolish. The last year of Bo and the Riley years made a lot of the players soft and frustrated. Now that Frost and staff have mostly players who want to be there in place, and working to make the team better (strength, conditioning, etc.)
I haven't looked at the 2022 schedule and don't have a number of wins needed to keep Frost. Maybe I will look at some point and decide. Right now, I see a coach who the players trust and like, FOUR years of recruits who like the coach. I don't think any of them like losing. The best thing is that winning cures everything. I actually felt more emotion around how Nebraska would actually win after the interception near the start of the 4th quarter. I haven't felt that in a LONG time. I felt the Husker fan deep inside me today. It was long beaten down by blowout losses and close losses. I was worried that part of me was gone. It's not, thankfully.
If we let Frost go, a bunch of 18-22 year olds will feel like the Nebraska AD and administration took away THEIR guy, THEIR reason for coming to Nebraska, the coach they wanted to play for, the coach they fought to win for. What happens to the team psyche then?? Do we endure another 4-5 years of the same? Could another coach come in and make the players that stay interested a winning team? Maybe. In the world of the transfer portal, no player is tied to Nebraska. The difference makers could leave.
I hate the win loss record. It crushes me. I see a difference. I want to see wins, and wins will come... and when they do, they will steamroll into more wins. There's a strange thing about a winning football team. It's something everyone wants to be a part of. It's the players we have now that are rebuilding the foundation of Nebraska football. A foundation that was cracked and broken from years of mismanagement and poor-average coaching. It will be these players we can thank in the future for building the foundation for what is to come.
Stoops made a bowl game by year 4. Only his very first season was worse at 2-10, which was also Kentucky's record the year before (in fact before Stoops arrived Kentucky had 4 straight losing seasons). Stoops had never been a head coach in his life, anywhere, so the fact that he could take Kentucky to a bowl game within 4 years in a conference that on average is better than the Big 10 is not a good example.
If s and but are candy and nuts.....delusional post. Frost has had ample time to turn this program around and failed miserably. I like everyone wanted Frost to succeed but its not there. How you can have no back up for the most important player on the team is beyond the pale. To play your most important player with multiple injuries is near criminal. I wish him well and hope he can get hired and learn some more, he is not up to the job in a P5 school.
I'm agnostic abt the "keep or cut" decision. If we keep Frosty, I'll be ready to believe. If he's cut loose, I'll climb back on the damn merry-go-round.
But that's a strong post. ^^^^
On November 27, 2012, Stoops was hired as the new head coach of the University of Kentucky football program, replacing former head coach Joker Phillips, who was fired after a 2–10 season. In Stoops' first season as the Kentucky Head coach, he went 2-10, followed by back to back 5-7 seasons.
After an 0–2 start to the 2016 season, Stoops led the Wildcats to a 7–3 finish after that start and defeated their in-state rival, the eleventh-ranked Louisville Cardinals. They lost in the Taxslayer Bowl to Georgia Tech.
The 2017 season featured ups and downs and the breakout of star running back Benny Snell. They finished 7-5, losing afterwards in the Music City Bowl to Northwestern.
The 2018 season was a historic one for the Wildcats. Paced by Snell on offense and Josh Allen on defense, they snapped a 31-year losing streak to Florida, finishing 9-3–only the fourth time in school history that the Wildcats have won at least nine games. Kentucky defeated Penn State in the Citrus Bowl on January, 1st, 2019 giving the Wildcats their first 10 win season since 1977, and only their third in school history. Stoops was named SEC Coach of the Year, the first time a Kentucky coach had won the award since Jerry Claiborne in 1983.
The 2019 season was one of overcoming adversity. After a 2-3 start in which they lost all of their Quarterbacks to injury, Kentucky turned to Wide Receiver Lynn Bowden Jr. to take over at QB. With a revamped offense, the Wildcats finished the Regular Season 7-5 routing Louisville 45-13 on Senior Day. Kentucky capped the season with a thrilling win over Virginia Tech in the Belk Bowl, as the Wildcats scored the winning touchdown with 15 seconds remaining for an 8-5 finish.
The 2020 season, affected by the COVID-19 pandemic, saw Kentucky play a 10-game, All-SEC regular-season schedule. Despite a 4-6 record, Kentucky was still able to be invited to a bowl game, specifically the 2021 Gator Bowl against No. 24 NC State. Stoops led Kentucky to victory in the Gator Bowl 23-21, making it three straight bowl victories for the team.
yup you right still he was 12 and 29 or something like that and they wanted to fire the guy
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josh heupel juuust got to tennessee and he had a huge mess to deal with. many of their best players left via the portal and they had decommitments left and right after the prior coach was fired for cause. they're going to be one game away from being bowl eligible after tonight and this is his first year there.
This is the Big Boy leagues. Getting a somewhat easier schedule is the exception. Every year is tough.. That's why they pay you $5,000,000 a year. There are plenty of coaches doing fine in the WAC, the MAC, Conference USA, Mountain West, ETC. Those guys aren't making much more than a coordinator in the SEC and B1G. This is bigtime college football. Be glad we aren't in the East. The only win of any consequence this year was a home game against Northwestern. Yeah, we jumped all over them and ran away with it. We beat up the weakest kid in gym class. Oh, we're close! We were behind the whole game today, but, there was never any back and forth. Ohio State had a bad day. Was losing possibly the best receiver in the country a problem for them? Their Number 2 WR had a career day. Well, he is arguably the second best receiver in the country. I think he set some kind of record today. Our defense also gave up over 100 yards to a RB. It's a good thing they turned the ball over a couple of times or it easily could have been a three score loss.
I think we can all agree the most important offensive weapon is the QB. In 4 years HCSF (and his staff), haven't developed one QB! AM2 is the same as when he got here. Well, maybe a bit slower from the constant pounding. There is no one else! Frost was a College QB!!! We've had 4 star recruits (Gebbia, Smothers and AM) and now we have a lower 3 star coming in for next year's class (if he recovers from injuries). Oh, he'll get someone from the portal! Who? Who? All I see are former 3 star recruits that didn't work out where they were. Spencer Rattler hasn't declared for the portal yet, but even if he came here, he's obviously got some issues.
So, you give him another year. He'll want an extension to help recruiting. After a 6-6 year next year, we accept .500 ball as our new standard? If you don't fire him after 4 wins, how can you fire him with 5 or 6? He's young? He's about the same age as Jeff Brohm, PJ Fleck, Mel Tucker and Bret Beleima.
We're going to lose some defensive stars to the NFL and I imagine the portal may be a net loss.
If we don't change this year, we'll be stuck for years.
I understand your reasoning Red Ed, and I think it says more about your sense of goodwill and a triumph of hope over experience. Anyone who's been divorced and married again can understand how hope wins over experience.
Having said all the above- he'll be back next year, because the powers that be say so.
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I agree. There should be a serviceable backup at every position. Adrian playing against Minnesota with a bad ankle?? Not a good choice. I don't know how Smothers (or whoever they decide is #2) would have been against Minnesota. I see a team that's close to winning... and winning big (see Northwestern this year). Frost bleeds for Nebraska football. He cares as much as any of us. This team is SO close. I know that kills us as fans. We have hope and it's dashed in the final minutes. For me, it's so much better than looking at the clock and seeing a score of 35-3 with 8 minutes left in the third quarter.
Frost isn't perfect. Was he ready to be a head coach at a power 5 conference school? Probably not. Does he have the input of a historic, hall of fame coach any time he needs? Yes. I'm sure Coach Osborne would provide input anytime Frost asks. Nebraska football is better than it was 5 years ago. It is better than it was in year one of Frost. I'm giving year three a complete ignore because of a pandemic.
Everyone likes to talk about player development. A big part of that, especially with the young players we are talking about is psychology. This team is beginning to believe. If you've seen the Matrix, it's like when Neo starts to believe. Once they do, they will be really good.
The one thing we need is a QB who can read the defense and make quick decisions and find his receivers and hand off the ball. AM2 is not a guy who can do that in the Big 10. Smothers may be and same with Harberg but unless they get real time on the field we will never know. Playing an injured player just doesn't fly in my wheel house and Frost lost me with that. If we dont have a backup after 4 years thats on Frost. Frost needs more seasoning in some other school, perhaps Alabama. If Frost comes back so will AM and that is not something I wanna see.
I suspect Trev Alberts knows Frost sucks, but doesn't want the wrath of spending $20M to get rid of him and also have a lot of people angry at him for not giving him enough time to try and be successful before being fired (I disagree with that thought process by people, but that is how people will think).
The way I look at things, this football program has to rip away itself of the past. Frost is the past and it is blinding a lot of people as a result. So another losing season you have to rip away the bandaid, close the chapter and connections to the past officially, and create a new run of good Nebraska football.
If Frost comes back and has a winning season next year, then things are good to go into the 2023 season, but if it is another losing season in 2022, there is only one option and that is canning him and bringing in an experienced head coach.
I honestly would rather just go through another losing season with Frost than having Bill O'Brien being the head coach at Nebraska. My god that would have been a disaster of a hire and he woul have been ran out of town after 3 years too. SMH at the stupidity of people in leadership even thinking about that.
Go out and hire someone like Dan Lanning or Matt Campbell.
The way I look at things, this football program has to rip away itself of the past. Frost is the past and it is blinding a lot of people as a result. So another losing season you have to rip away the bandaid, close the chapter and connections to the past officially, and create a new run of good Nebraska football.
If Frost comes back and has a winning season next year, then things are good to go into the 2023 season, but if it is another losing season in 2022, there is only one option and that is canning him and bringing in an experienced head coach.
I honestly would rather just go through another losing season with Frost than having Bill O'Brien being the head coach at Nebraska. My god that would have been a disaster of a hire and he woul have been ran out of town after 3 years too. SMH at the stupidity of people in leadership even thinking about that.
Go out and hire someone like Dan Lanning or Matt Campbell.
I think the issue with Frost is simple, does he play well with others. I am of the opinion that he does not. Its his WAY only. Is this opinion wrong? Lubeck has been in Lincoln and I don't see one little bit of difference between him and the other guy.
I enjoy reading posts that use science fiction to explain HCSF's improvements.
Here is just one aspect. If he returns what happens at qb?
1. AM returns which implies that no one else need apply. We may have a slightly better record but the same team.
2. AM decides not to come back and what do we have? Supposedly our 2nd stringer cannot throw it any better and sounds like a poor fit for this offense. Not that he couldn't surprise but no opportunity has been given for that. Our only other options at this point are considered 'projects'. A true frosh, Haarburgh and Torres, who has committed. I am not saying these guys couldn't surprise us but the point is that Frost isn't able to recruit high caliber qb's.
3. Transfer portal. Sigh. If AM returns yoy can probably scratch this off. If not, it's pretty shaky territory unless you've got an eye for these things.
I am asking about year 5 and beyond. What's the upside?
1. AM returns which implies that no one else need apply. We may have a slightly better record but the same team.
2. AM decides not to come back and what do we have? Supposedly our 2nd stringer cannot throw it any better and sounds like a poor fit for this offense. Not that he couldn't surprise but no opportunity has been given for that. Our only other options at this point are considered 'projects'. A true frosh, Haarburgh and Torres, who has committed. I am not saying these guys couldn't surprise us but the point is that Frost isn't able to recruit high caliber qb's.
3. Transfer portal. Sigh. If AM returns yoy can probably scratch this off. If not, it's pretty shaky territory unless you've got an eye for these things.
I am asking about year 5 and beyond. What's the upside?
The fourth season he is 7 - 3, do you see the irony there? So we have 5 more years before Frost produces? I don't see how he makes it past the end of the month.
