A 'W' for sure

[cornstar]

I was thinking something similar - feel bad for the guy. I am also scratching my head at the fact that NU has seemed to bottom out and Riley's inability to get more out of these players.

Could be for some, but not for me. This coaching staff if terrible, and the team is getting worse under their watch.

I don't believe the talent is there to compete with Ohio St and/or Wisconsin, but i thought there is enough to not get their asses handed to them in those games.

We've out recruited Wisconsin since we've been in the B1G, and we played them down to the wire in 15 and 16.

That's on development, figuring out who is the better player, and putting together solid gameplans on both sides of the ball. This staff is terrible at those 3 aspects.

 

[Bugeaters]

Could be for some, but not for me. This coaching staff if terrible, and the team is getting worse under their watch.



We've out recruited Wisconsin since we've been in the B1G, and we played them down to the wire in 15 and 16.

That's on development, figuring out who is the better player, and putting together solid gameplans on both sides of the ball. This staff is terrible at those 3 aspects.

uh huh....Riley and everything associated with that name sucks - we get it cornstar.....

 

[cornstar]

uh huh....Riley and everything associated with that name sucks - we get it cornstar.....

Is there something that I wrote that is not true, and if so I'd like to hear where I got it wrong?

 

[Husker21stb]

Is there something that I wrote that is not true, and if so I'd like to hear where I got it wrong?

Dude. It has nothing to do with veracity and everything to do with redundancy.

 

[cornstar]

Dude. It has nothing to do with veracity and everything to do with redundancy.

So, what should we talk about then?

When other posters consistently (and wrongly) post that we don't have the talent to beat the likes of Northern Illinois, Purdue, or Wisconsin, I think the truth needs to be pointed out.

 

[Bugeaters]

Is there something that I wrote that is not true, and if so I'd like to hear where I got it wrong?

I don't necessarily agree with every stance you take, but some things i do agree with you on. But similar to what Husker21stb stated, you might as well just have a default signature line that says "I hate Mike Riley - he is a cancer" (those were your words) and move on.

 

[HuskerVotary]

So, what should we talk about then?

When other posters consistently (and wrongly) post that we don't have the talent to beat the likes of Northern Illinois, Purdue, or Wisconsin, I think the truth needs to be pointed out.

You've made your point(s) ad nauseum. Some posters simply disagree with you. See the guidelines.

Persistent and Repeated Negativity

Can fans be upset about the state of our teams, coaches, or programs? Sure. We all would rather win. There’s not a forum member, moderator, or administrator who is happy with losing. But, you are not welcome to remind everybody in every post how negative you feel. Express your frustrations once and leave it at that.

You're on a short leash.

 

[uno_911]

So, what should we talk about then?

When other posters consistently (and wrongly) post that we don't have the talent to beat the likes of Northern Illinois, Purdue, or Wisconsin, I think the truth needs to be pointed out.

I don't think anyone has said we don't have the talent to beat Purdue or NIU. We definitely do, but you throw two pick 6s to a Top 20 defense in NIU, and you're going to struggle to win. I have stated that I don't think we are as talented as we have been in the past or as others think, not that we don't have the talent to win, but it is close enough that you can't make a number of dumb mistakes or not execute in the red zone and expect to win by multiple TDs.

 

[Bugeaters]

So, what should we talk about then?

When other posters consistently (and wrongly) post that we don't have the talent to beat the likes of Northern Illinois, Purdue, or Wisconsin, I think the truth needs to be pointed out.

I can’t tell if you are really that arrogant about being right and everyone who disagrees is wrong or if you are sitting back and laughing at your constant trolling...

 

[busticket]

As hard as it was to watch Purdue outplay us for the better part of 58 minutes, it is a little amusing to me that people consider Purdue terrible or something. They are a very scrappy team that is hard nosed. Wisconsin only beat them by 8 in Madison. They also played Louisville to within a TD and they beat the Gophers who we have yet to play. I am not happy about where we are at in year 3 of Riley but a little perspective is needed.

i was also happy we opened up the passing game. We could not run at all other than Bradley running a few sweeps. Take what the defense is giving. In the future I want to be able to run effectively but that is not our current reality.

 

[Huskergod84]

You've made your point(s) ad nauseum. Some posters simply disagree with you. See the guidelines.

Persistent and Repeated Negativity

Can fans be upset about the state of our teams, coaches, or programs? Sure. We all would rather win. There’s not a forum member, moderator, or administrator who is happy with losing. But, you are not welcome to remind everybody in every post how negative you feel. Express your frustrations once and leave it at that.

You're on a short leash.

I dont recall you posting this in Bos last two years when every thread turned into "fire Bo Pelini he sucks"..... He hasnt been consistantly negative. He simple answers post of people he believes are wrong. Just because you disagree with him doesnt mean he's constistantly negative.

 

[Huskergod84]

As hard as it was to watch Purdue outplay us for the better part of 58 minutes, it is a little amusing to me that people consider Purdue terrible or something. They are a very scrappy team that is hard nosed. Wisconsin only beat them by 8 in Madison. They also played Louisville to within a TD and they beat the Gophers who we have yet to play. I am not happy about where we are at in year 3 of Riley but a little perspective is needed.

i was also happy we opened up the passing game. We could not run at all other than Bradley running a few sweeps. Take what the defense is giving. In the future I want to be able to run effectively but that is not our current reality.

How many years has it been since Purdue was anything but the doormat of the B1G? The last two years they have been very bad. Their recruiting classes have been no where near what the HUSKERS have been. Now they get a first year coach and he appears to have them headed in the right direction after only 7 games. Has he even been a head coach before? (I honestly am not sure). Meanwhile we have a seasoned head coach who has us going backwards (my opinion). Thats what has most of the fan base so frustrated.

 

[Dunbar]

How many years does the next guy get?

I think this is a good place to post this. I think I've done this before, but this is how I evaluate - how it came about was I was listening to a local sports show way back when Solich was coach, and they were discussing (this was in Iowa) Iowa State and whether McCarney needed more time, or if he had plateaued.

Remember, back then, McCarney had them beating Iowa about every other year and they got to some bowl games and had some pretty tough runners. But, as success does, fans started wanting more, and McCarney wasn't getting them to the next level. So, the radio guys came up with a system and I adopted and modified it for how I think NU should be evaluated. Now, this was done before Frank left, so by now I think it might need some thinking through, but basically it goes like this -

In a 4 year period, NU should -

1) Never have a losing season. Unless there's some catastrophic tragedy, NU recruits well enough, and the schedule is such, that NU should never not go to a bowl game (Note - originally, I came up with 'never miss a bowl game' since, at the time, you couldn't go to a bowl game with a losing season. Now that that's possible, I think 'no losing season' is a better standard)

2) Play for the conference championship (at least) 2 out of the 4 years.

3) Win the conference (at least) once in the 4 years.

Then there was thought about getting to the NC, but I didn't have a hard # on it. Nowadays, if you get #3, you should have a shot at the playoffs so I'm sure something could be thought out.

Now, with those standards, you can tell if the program is progressing, or regressing. If you're not achieving #2 or #3, changes need to occur. With #1, changes MUST occur - up to the head coach being shown the door.

So, as far as 'how many years does the next guy get', I think working towards 4 is prudent, but one must look at the product on the field - is the team building towards appearing, first, then winning the CCG? If the next guy can, at least, develop strong lines, it won't take long to see improvement.

 

[Bugeaters]

I guess it shows how far Nebraska has fallen (maybe in my own mind) when i read those 4 standards and think "man, not sure that is possible anytime soon"....haha!

 

[cornstar]

I've heard something similar from the local radio guys, but I thought it was:

1) win division 3 out of 5 years
2) win conference 1 out of 5 years

So, as far as 'how many years does the next guy get', I think working towards 4 is prudent, but one must look at the product on the field - is the team building towards appearing, first, then winning the CCG? If the next guy can, at least, develop strong lines, it won't take long to see improvement.

As long as we see improvement, the next guy (whoever and whenever that is)will get more time.

As for the talent argument, I made this chart of the recruiting rankings (per 247 composite) of us and some of our foes this year. No one is saying we need less talent, or that we have the talent of Ohio St. and Bama.

Make of this what you will:

Year -- Big 10 class rank --Average grade per player --Total class grade


Nebraska

2013 #3 86.75 Average 220.72 Total

2014 #6 84.95 Average 200.24 Total

2015 #4 86.16 Average 211.72 Total

2016 #5 86.86 Average 216.76 Total

2017 #5 87.81 Average 224.33 Total

Wisconsin

2013 #7 84.64 Average 191.08 Total

2014 #5 84.78 Average 205.44 Total

2015 #6 85.5 Average 189.85 Total

2016 #6 84.96 Average 202.85 Total

2017 #7 85.82 Average 193.87 Total

Iowa

2013 #12 82.59 Average 171.96 Total

2014 #12 83.64 Average 171.84 Total

2015 #12 83.26 Average 169.99 Total

2016 #9 84.25 Average 181.39 Total

2017 #8 84.52 Average 191.44 Total

Purdue

2013 #13 82.42 Average 162.05 Total

2014 #13 82.45 Average 156.02 Total

2015 #14 81.75 Average 162.85 Total

2016 #14 81.13 Average 145.09 Total

2017 #14 81.88 Average 158.89 Total

Northwestern

2013 #11 84.21 Average 174.64 Total

2014 #8 85.79 Average 182.68 Total

2015 #10 84.07 Average 174.83 Total

2016 #10 84.53 Average 174.91 Total

2017 #11 85.04 Average 182.07 Total

2018 #9 85.57 Average 169.61 Total

Northern Illinois

2013 NA 76.48 Average 108.89 Total

2014 NA 75.43 Average 109.52 Total

2015 NA 79.10 Average 138.94 Total

2016 NA 78.25 Average 111.40 Total

2017 NA 78.92 Average 122.74 Total


Ugh. That didn't format well.

 

[Husker316]

Since we have the best talent in the B1G 10 west and perhaps the worst coaching staff in all of college football, I'd say you're off the mark.

Moos flat out said we had the players. So did Eichorst.

I listened to an interview on ESPNU, of course he will say that the have the players. Maybe we do hidden in the depth chart or hidden in the back room. But one thing he made clear it was finances, facilities and fans, so NO I am not off the mark. At no time did he ever give a vote of confidence to the current coaching staff, matter of fact he didn't even mention anything about coaching...

 

[cornstar]

I listened to an interview on ESPNU, of course he will say that the have the players. Maybe we do hidden in the depth chart or hidden in the back room. But one thing he made clear it was finances, facilities and fans, so NO I am not off the mark. At no time did he ever give a vote of confidence to the current coaching staff, matter of fact he didn't even mention anything about coaching...

I can't disagree with anything you have said.

If you look at post #75 (if you trust the recruiting analysts) the talent to win the West more often than not has been brought it.

 

[cornstar]

Per cornstar - "Since we have the best talent in the B1G 10 west and perhaps the worst coaching staff in all of college football, I'd say you're off the mark."

We have the best talent in the BIG10 West? Per whom - recruiting rankings over the past few years compared to other BIG10 West teams? Or is this just your opinion?

See post #75, if you trust what the recruiting analysts say.

Honest question, are you familiar with the 247sports composite recruiting ratings?

And Nebraska has the worst coaches in all of college football? - So we have a head coach who is a cancer (your words) and the rest of his staff is worse then the other 774 college football programs around the country?

That is my opinion, you are free to disagree.

 

[Son of Charlie]

Ok Guys,

Lets just call a win a win and move on. The snow melted and the sun is out in Husker Land. The Zen Funk looks good. All is well.

SOC

 

[Blatz]

Have to admit I smiled and chuckled seeing Northern Illinois in Cornstar's recruiting comparisons!! Which btw if anyone is interested are 7.5 dogs to the Toledo Rockets and losing 10-7 at half right now.

With that being said I am declaring early... The Nebraska Cornhuskers will triumph this Saturday. Can't claim a landslide victory, but they will win.