Where will we rank in the B1G in the upcoming NFL draft?

[Doc Fumble]

And the Riley years before that.

The Frost era was a disaster but he did inherit a mess from Mike Riley. Once upon a time, Notre Dame made a dumbass move when they hired Gerry Faust, a high school coach. But other than inglorious pick, it's hard to find a stupider hire than the one Shawn Eichorst made. At least in Faust's case -- and Rich Rodriguz to Michigan -- they came in as coaches with bigtime winning records. In contrast, Riley was close to being fired at Oregon State for crying out loud when we bailed him out. Seriously, what other Blueblood program would have ever done something that idiotic.

Yeah, I know, I know. But I still haven't gotten over it.

 

[Uenth]

The Frost era was a disaster but he did inherit a mess from Mike Riley. Once upon a time, Notre Dame made a dumbass move when they hired Gerry Faust, a high school coach. But other than inglorious pick, it's hard to find a stupider hire than the one Shawn Eichorst made. At least in Faust's case -- and Rich Rodriguz to Michigan -- they came in as coaches with bigtime winning records. In contrast, Riley was close to being fired at Oregon State for crying out loud when we bailed him out. Seriously, what other Blueblood program would have ever done something that idiotic.

Yeah, I know, I know. But I still haven't gotten over it.

No argument from me. I never understood why Riley was hired; other than for the fact that he was a polar opposite of Pelini. Didn't help the program but he wasn't Pelini.

Frost still would have had problems, as evidenced by his behavior and lack of work ethic while he was here but he might not have tanked out. One of those "we'll never know" situations.

Riley and Frost are the two I'll probably have problems with forever. Riley's record and Frost being such a huge disappointment.

Time to move on though. Just off-season blather. What else is there to blather about since no spring game (another thing I'll have problems with forever).

 

[Navy60]

You guys had just Riley and Frost. I had them AND Glassford, Clark, and Jennings.

 

[Uenth]

You guys had just Riley and Frost. I had them AND Glassford, Clark, and Jennings.

Point taken. Well struck, indeed!

 

[valiantsailor]

And the Riley years before that. I know we had better draft numbers with Solich and Pelini, though not as good as Dr. Tom's, if memory serves me correctly. But, yeah, Riley and Frost eras - YIKES!

Ya know if you put out a bowl of milk your going to catch strays. Eichorst and Moos put out the milk, cant blame the strays for drinking it. Trev Alberts did a good job (apparently) with Rhule, the other two? not so. Moos did ok with Hoiburg though.

 

[Husker99]

So to summarize...

Despite the terrible, mediocre, and, on rare occassions, somewhat good results of coaches Solich, Callahan, Pelini, Riley, and Frost, Nebraska is still an elite school regarding sending players to the league.

And, since no one addressed my question, I'll answer it here: The answer is no, we can't just enjoy the fact that we're still elite in terms of sending players to the NFL. We, as Nebraska fans, have a moral obligation to add every IF and BUT we can think of to pooh pooh and diminish the program because that's "keeping it real."

 

[Doc Fumble]

So to summarize...
Despite the terrible, mediocre, and, on rare occassions, somewhat good results of coaches Solich, Callahan, Pelini, Riley, and Frost, Nebraska is still an elite school regarding sending players to the league.

Good point, 99!

And, since no one addressed my question, I'll answer it here: The answer is no, we can't just enjoy the fact that we're still elite in terms of sending players to the NFL. We, as Nebraska fans, have a moral obligation to add every IF and BUT we can think of to pooh pooh and diminish the program because that's "keeping it real."

We desperately want to regain our position as one of CFB's elite. When it fails to happen year after year after year, we can't help ourselves: We bitch about it. I don't think fans are intentionally 'diminishing' the program, we're just expressing our frustration.

That said, the wait ENDS this year!
(Yeah, I know, I know. I've said this every summer for the last twenty years or so, but THIS YEAR, I really mean it!!!)

 

[Uenth]

So to summarize...

Despite the terrible, mediocre, and, on rare occassions, somewhat good results of coaches Solich, Callahan, Pelini, Riley, and Frost, Nebraska is still an elite school regarding sending players to the league.

And, since no one addressed my question, I'll answer it here: The answer is no, we can't just enjoy the fact that we're still elite in terms of sending players to the NFL. We, as Nebraska fans, have a moral obligation to add every IF and BUT we can think of to pooh pooh and diminish the program because that's "keeping it real."



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Meh -- you look at our results since Dr. Tom retired and I see absolutely ZERO reason to thump our chests about any blinking thing that has transpired. We have been on the coaching carousal 6 different times since Osborne retired in 1997 and may or may not have finally hit a home run with Matt Rhule. The jury's still out on that one.

Because of Osborne's recruiting and coaching, we were an elite school. Fact of the matter is that since 1997, we have no longer been an "elite" school. Why do you think we should titter like freakin school girls over things that transpired almost 30 years ago. Personally, I find it depressing how low we have sunk and how seemingly impossible it is to rise from the ashes. But yeah, go ahead and thump your chest about NU still being an "elite" school 'cuz sweetie at this point that is the last thing we are.

I think Matt Rhule has a chance to resurrect the program but we ain't there yet and I'm not doing any chest thumping. I've lived through Solich, Callahan, Pelini, Riley and Frost eras and I haven't seen any signs of "eliteness"

And yes, this subject makes me very p*ssy. It's ludicrous to claim we're still elite about anything. How many players total have we sent to the NFL since Osborne left? Yeah, that doesn't qualify as "elite".

 

[Uenth]

We also have a meaningless sell out streak. By golly, we really are an "elite" program. WOO HOO!!!!

 

[Doc Fumble]

Meh -- you look at our results since Dr. Tom retired and I see absolutely ZERO reason to thump our chests about any blinking thing that has transpired. ... And yes, this subject makes me very p*ssy. It's ludicrous to claim we're still elite about anything.

Yikes! I'm guessing Uenth is having a bad day. My response is this: It depends on how you define elite.

Are we a perennial Top 10 team like we were once-upon-a-time? Nope. Are we talked about as the best program in the nation like we once were? Nope. Are we still talked about these days as one of the top programs in all of CFB? Sadly, nope. Will we be picked to be in the CFP this season? Again, nope.

But one dictionary definition of "elite" is: a select group/class/program seen as having abilities and/or qualities that are superior to most. I would argue that most definitely describes Nebraska football!!!

Few programs can rival Nebraska's gameday experience. What makes the Cornhuskers stand out from most is that Nebraska's gamedays are special, one-of-a-kind experiences regardless of the team's win/loss record. Seriously, how many other programs can say that? If you'd had an opportunity to check out any of CFB's other Big Dawg locales during one of their down streaks, you would not have been able to say with a straight face that they were no different from Nebraska these past ten years.

We also have a meaningless sell out streak. By golly, we really are an "elite" program. WOO HOO!!!!

We've argued this one for ages. But if our sellout streak is so meaningless, why is Nebraska so far ahead of everybody else in CFB? For years and years, Notre Dame's sellout streak was second to ours but it ended a decade ago. If it is so super-easy for an Athletic Department to hit up big donors to buy up any remaining tickets to keep a streak going, why didn't Notre Dame do it? I guarantee they've got A LOT more bigtime donors than Nebraska does.

The fact is, when it comes to elite fanbases, Nebraska fans have set themselves apart from everybody else in multiple ways. One of my breakfast buddies told me this morning that his son had gone to Vegas this weekend to watch the Huskers in the semifinals and finals of the Crown BB tourney. He said his son was chatting with one of the ushers who told him he was blown away by Nebraska's fan following. He said that Nebraska had more fans at the tourney games than the fans of the rest of the field combined.

And guess what? If Matt Rhule is successful in bringing the Cornhusker football team back into the national spotlight--LOOK OUT CFB WORLD!!!

 

[Husker99]

Meh -- you look at our results since Dr. Tom retired and I see absolutely ZERO reason to thump our chests about any blinking thing that has transpired. We have been on the coaching carousal 6 different times since Osborne retired in 1997 and may or may not have finally hit a home run with Matt Rhule. The jury's still out on that one.

Because of Osborne's recruiting and coaching, we were an elite school. Fact of the matter is that since 1997, we have no longer been an "elite" school. Why do you think we should titter like freakin school girls over things that transpired almost 30 years ago. Personally, I find it depressing how low we have sunk and how seemingly impossible it is to rise from the ashes. But yeah, go ahead and thump your chest about NU still being an "elite" school 'cuz sweetie at this point that is the last thing we are.

I think Matt Rhule has a chance to resurrect the program but we ain't there yet and I'm not doing any chest thumping. I've lived through Solich, Callahan, Pelini, Riley and Frost eras and I haven't seen any signs of "eliteness"

And yes, this subject makes me very p*ssy. It's ludicrous to claim we're still elite about anything. How many players total have we sent to the NFL since Osborne left? Yeah, that doesn't qualify as "elite".

That's literally not the point.

The claim was made that Nebraska wasn't a school that put a lot of players into the NFL.

I clearly provided factual evidence that Nebraska is an elite school for getting players to the league. Can we just enjoy this without IFing and BUTing it? No? Carry on.

 

[Uenth]

Yikes! I'm guessing Uenth is having a bad day. My response is this: It depends on how you define elite.

Are we a perennial Top 10 team like we were once-upon-a-time? Nope. Are we talked about as the best program in the nation like we once were? Nope. Are we still talked about these days as one of the top programs in all of CFB? Sadly, nope. Will we be picked to be in the CFP this season? Again, nope.

But one dictionary definition of "elite" is: a select group/class/program seen as having abilities and/or qualities that are superior to most. I would argue that most definitely describes Nebraska football!!!

Few programs can rival Nebraska's gameday experience. What makes the Cornhuskers stand out from most is that Nebraska's gamedays are special, one-of-a-kind experiences regardless of the team's win/loss record. Seriously, how many other programs can say that? If you'd had an opportunity to check out any of CFB's other Big Dawg locales during one of their down streaks, you would not have been able to say with a straight face that they were no different from Nebraska these past ten years.
We've argued this one for ages. But if our sellout streak is so meaningless, why is Nebraska so far ahead of everybody else in CFB? For years and years, Notre Dame's sellout streak was second to ours but it ended a decade ago. If it is so super-easy for an Athletic Department to hit up big donors to buy up any remaining tickets to keep a streak going, why didn't Notre Dame do it? I guarantee they've got A LOT more bigtime donors than Nebraska does.

The fact is, when it comes to elite fanbases, Nebraska fans have set themselves apart from everybody else in multiple ways. One of my breakfast buddies told me this morning that his son had gone to Vegas this weekend to watch the Huskers in the semifinals and finals of the Crown BB tourney. He said his son was chatting with one of the ushers who told him he was blown away by Nebraska's fan following. He said that Nebraska had more fans at the tourney games than the fans of the rest of the field combined.

And guess what? If Matt Rhule is successful in bringing the Cornhusker football team back into the national spotlight--LOOK OUT CFB WORLD!!!

Actually a pretty good day, thanks. Got outside and started planting my garden, FWIW.

I would put NU Football as used to be an elite program. Hoping we return to that level but we're certainly not there yet.

The pointing to things that were as proof we're "still there" or whatever it is drives me nuts.

I'm proud of what we once were and want us to regain that stature but I absolutely hate the pointing to things that were. Reminds me of the KSU grad we used to work with. We could just count on him the Monday after NU pounded them into oblivion to walk into one of our cubicles and tell us that if it hadn't been to this one play in the first quarter it might have been a totally different ballgame and KSU might have won the game.

Let's start having 6-8 draft picks each class and then i'll say that we are still an elite NFL draft program. I don't care how high our number still is. We haven't done diddly squat since Tom retired. Frank coasted on Tom's laurels for a couple of years but since Tom's recruits graduated, we've been mostly lackluster, with an occasional exception.

 

[Doc Fumble]

The pointing to things that were as proof we're "still there" or whatever it is drives me nuts.

I made it clear in my last post that we are not there yet when it come to earning the respect that comes with being one of CFB's best football programs. But as an alum and a lifelong Husker fan, I firmly believe we continue to be one of CFB's elite football programs.

Sorry to drive you nuts, Uenth.

 

[Uenth]

I made it clear in my last post that we are not there yet when it come to earning the respect that comes with being one of CFB's best football programs. But as an alum and a lifelong Husker fan, I firmly believe we continue to be one of CFB's elite football programs.

Sorry to drive you nuts, Uenth.

We will just have to disagree on that one my friend. IMO, we have to regain our elite status. Too many years of lackluster results, too many coaching changes, no bowl games, draft picks in the tanks, etc. Having laid all the negatives out, i firmly believe that Matt Rhule has the ability to change all of that. The proof will be our 8 or 9 or 10 win season.

A few things have to change before I refer to our football program as elite but we certainly have the potential to regain that status.

 

[Huskergod84]

I think its funny that the two coaches since Tom that have had winning records (Frank and Bo) everyone says couldn't recruit. Yet they are also the two who put more guys in the NFL than the other 3 coaches combined. Or at least thats my belief, I didnt acutally look that up. But I would put money that Frank and Bo alone put more guys in the NFL than did Bill, Mike, and Scott combined. But yet they couldn't recruit. And they didn't adjust blah blah blah. But yet they won alot of games, played in CCG games and even one MNC game. Were ranked every year and most years highly ranked.

 

[Husker99]

I think its funny that the two coaches since Tom that have had winning records (Frank and Bo) everyone says couldn't recruit. Yet they are also the two who put more guys in the NFL than the other 3 coaches combined. Or at least thats my belief, I didnt acutally look that up. But I would put money that Frank and Bo alone put more guys in the NFL than did Bill, Mike, and Scott combined. But yet they couldn't recruit. And they didn't adjust blah blah blah. But yet they won alot of games, played in CCG games and even one MNC game. Were ranked every year and most years highly ranked.

The distinction hardly anyone outside me makes is: Pelini and Solich could identify recruits and find really good to exceptional players--they just didn't recruit enough of them. Under Solich and Pelini, after attrition, Nebraska was usually at 79/80 scholarships in a given year. It was like self-imposed probation.

Remember when Pelini was the head coach? Nebraska would usually have very good 1st team players, but it was in the 2nd, and 3rd team where the talent level dropped off drastically. For example, under Pelini Nebraska was always thin at QB, OT, DT, and DE. We'd usually have good players at the #1 roster spot and the equivalent of me at the backup spots. I remember Taylor Martinez gutting it out game after game with a bad ankle because we had like 3 other QBs on the roster, but none of them were any good.

 

[valiantsailor]

I think its funny that the two coaches since Tom that have had winning records (Frank and Bo) everyone says couldn't recruit. Yet they are also the two who put more guys in the NFL than the other 3 coaches combined. Or at least thats my belief, I didnt acutally look that up. But I would put money that Frank and Bo alone put more guys in the NFL than did Bill, Mike, and Scott combined. But yet they couldn't recruit. And they didn't adjust blah blah blah. But yet they won alot of games, played in CCG games and even one MNC game. Were ranked every year and most years highly ranked.

Recruiting is overrated.... today the coaches have to SPEND