What happens when you play up tempo offense and go 3 and out?

[Crazyhole]

At the end of the day, with this system we need either superior conditioning, superior depth, or preferably both. The problems that were brought up in the OP are the same problems that every team has and the answer is the same across the board.

Unlike Wisconsin, who beats up opponents with physical play, Frosts system challenges the other team by making them run. It still means you have to do the same thing to counter it and by that thought process Id say we are in pretty good shape with the results that have come out about winter conditioning.

 

[Doc Fumble]

Just finished listening to a Sharp & Benning podcast from this morning featuring a live interview with Erik Chinander. I would encourage folks to check it out.

Podcasts

It's a fun listen. Every time I hear him, it become easier to see why he is Scott's Number One guy.

He's also pretty media-savvy. He was asked if he didn't have a relationship with Scott, why would he take the DC job at Nebraska given the type of offense Scott runs? Erik responded with 'Are you kidding me? The opportunity to coach the Blackshirts is one of biggest honors in college football.'

He added that some big-name coaches had discouraged him from taking the DC job at UCF given Frost's offense. They said it would be a career-killer. Erik said those comments 'sealed the deal' for him because he hates being told he can't make something work.

 

[innmc]

Great listen Fumble
UCF was plus 17 turnover

 

[Jimbosc]

You can't go plus 17 every year - but plus 1 per game is do-able - no to mention the disruption you cause by attacking the ball even if you don't get it every time.

 

[Cigarman]

Fast pace, slow pace, pound the rock, throw the pig, it is all the same. If you can not score points you are going to lose. Iowa and Wisky are teams that try to keep the ball and beat you up. This style works at times but can also lead you to getting creamed. If you are one-dimensional and that dimension does not work you are hosed. At the present time NU does not hold a talent advantage over the good teams in the Big. That means we are going to have to out execute and out scheme those teams. For that to happen we are going to need to be multi-faceted. The fast pace helps you out scheme your opponent.

The quick pace allows you to produce mismatches against your opponents. Defenses expend more energy than offenses. When they can't sub, you can compound that. If the defense is tired you can slip a guy into the open easier. If you can gas those pass rushers they are less effective. If you gas the DB he may take a play off. Frost has a lot of speed on this team. The best way to take advantage of that is with a quick pace. He also has QBs who can scramble. In addition, a lot of teams in the Big use situation defenses. A quick pace can keep them from inserting their 3rd and long team.

I am still not sold on our defense. It has been close to a decade since we have had a dominant D. It will have to prove itself before I have confidence that it can win games like the old NU. I think we will be better but I just don't see us stuffing many teams. I think we are going to have to out score teams this year. It could be a roller coaster ride.

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

In a league with good defenses,big plays become bigger plays.
A steady pounding eventually makes for big plays, but are fewer and slower to come.
Instead, where we have our great advantage in recruiting, and always have except the top teams, is at the playmaker positions.

Now, weve had great dbs,great rbs, a few wrs as well.
But, we havnt had the schemes to make them shine.
Under Bo,we were close, using a standard spread,little to no innovation, more like osu, my guy beats your guy, not a great passing team etc.
Under MR, it was the slow,plodding articulated and precise wco that requires excellent athletes,not just a mix of good ones with a great one here or there,which is more the norm in our history.
Under Bo, our guy, AA,Rex etc,did beat their guy, and we won a fair amount of games.
Under MR, the slower wco,we never had that run game, and the coaches pushed the passing game, and the results were what they were.
Now, under SF.
Not only will our guy beat your guy in the run game, but our guy will beat your guy in the pass game, by having a qb that can make those plays, and those players getting the ball in space.

Yes, defense expends more energy than offense does, and being in shape and havingbdepth is essential, and reloading our players is very important, but understand, Chins plays to win,not some philosophy of slowing them down,bend but not break,but like JP says, all gas,no brakes,reload,hit harder than they hit you,our guys will beat on you while trying to beat you type of defense,while ball hawking every snap.
We start developing our big guys,primarily our o line, and having our skilled players natural advantage will actually work in the systems we run.
Like SF said, we will be dangerous!

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

Listen to what this guy says, he has alot to do with it

https://soundcloud.com/id%3Duser-614766533%252Fjune-29-seg-5-erik-chinander-university-of-nebraska-defensive-coordinator%3Btrack_id%3D465120813

 

[Sandbarhusker]

I can remember when we all applauded a slow 80 yard grind out drive that took 8 minutes off the clock. Most of the comments was it wore down the defense and gave our defense a chance to rest. Just saying...……….

 

[Doc Fumble]

I can remember when we all applauded a slow 80 yard grind out drive that took 8 minutes off the clock. Most of the comments was it wore down the defense and gave our defense a chance to rest. Just saying...……….

The Good ol Days will always be there on YouTube if you yearn for a little TOP football or you can become a Wisconsin Badger fan.

But if you have plans to remain a Husker fan for the next 25 years or so, I'd recommend you learn to appreciate what Frost is going to bring to the program. The new buzz word for Husker Football is BOOM!

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

They just got a commit from Jamie Nance, 10.6 100 meter, last years okie long jump champ.
The same pattern at oregon, football players who are good at track.
The offenses coming up will bring me back to Husker ball.
The triplets.
Oh yea!
Except, it may be more like the sextuplets from here on in!

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

Hypothetical
AM,JD,Stan!Bell,Woodyard?
McQuitty?
One of our TEs as well?
Thing is, theres several others who will contribute too.
Sure beats TA and AA.
If they got hurt, we were toast.

 

[Sandbarhusker]

The Good ol Days will always be there on YouTube if you yearn for a little TOP football or you can become a Wisconsin Badger fan.

But if you have plans to remain a Husker fan for the next 25 years or so, I'd recommend you learn to appreciate what Frost is going to bring to the program. The new buzz word for Husker Football is BOOM!

Why did you quote me to make this statement?

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

All I remember lately was top was overated.
Now, all I'm hearing is, how quick til the next snap.
Chins likes a challenge, as witnessed on his sharp n benning interview.

Theres very few teams doing it like we do.
Theres mostly spread teams in cfb, but few go on to the next level.
If each team had at least one qb that also ran the spread go to the next level, thered be more than 40 drafted in the last 5 years.

Having one of the few that got drafted and is playing at the next level speaks volumes for our system and coach.
We will be dangerous, Chins defense will be trying to take the ball away, sacking the qb etc.
Chins said ,90-95% of all drives where you sack the qb, no points are scored.
It wont only be our offense that plays different, our defense is turning in to a cutting edge 'tempo' defense.
Chins isnt a 3-4 guy.
Like he said, not anymore than SF is a rpo guy.

 

[Chris]

I think our QB’s RB’ and receivers will quickly impress. -IF- our o-line can come around quickly.

Our D? Will take time. Like at UCF. Might expect a lot of 48-41 games

 

[bshirt]

I think our QB’s RB’ and receivers will quickly impress. -IF- our o-line can come around quickly.

Our D? Will take time. Like at UCF. Might expect a lot of 48-41 games

Oh yeah, our OLine......we've got a long, long ways to go.

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

I watched them pulling well in the spring game, fast,coordinated when its two pulling.
Inside guy taking the end,whether its a backer or a true d end,but, the outside puller several times had trouble making contact on the second level, whether a backer or a safety.
This looked more like bad positioning,which is coachable,than not being able to get there,or poor technique,other than the positioning itself.
They get it, the right side in particular looked good anyhow, dont remember the left side pulling, maybe I just didnt notice.
Its all coachable, we have the athletes to do it.
Im much more confident than from anything I saw last year,except a few glimpses here n there.
The o line will be better, and if they keep learning and getting to their assignments, they could even become a strength of the team.
If so, you heard it here first.
The more straight ahead blocking depends alot on our backfield.
I need to watch some more film,to see how theyre handling the backers and if theyre getting to the second level.
It seemed Bell had a few decent runs,but I dont remember any second level blocks on the inside plays.

 

[Red Storm Rising]

Oh yeah, our OLine......we've got a long, long ways to go.

I really believe there is more talent on the OLine than it has shown--we have recruited well enough there--but we have failed miserably on development--physical and mental development---with 10 months of SF, GA and ZD working with these guys, I expect to see a much better product on the field in 2018--not a finished product, but a much better OLine than we have seen the past 2-3 years

GBR

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

Just watching the spring game, our worst puller was Foster, but, hes very good going straight ahead into the second level.
There seemed to be some things to clean up on their pin and pull technique, but seemed ok.
The only problems were when the defense 'flooded' the zone with bodies,thats when the defense got most of their penetration.
But hat on a hat, they held their own for the most part.
Its still going to come down to the qbs mental clock for the most part.
I expect for them to play much like the ucf line played, where often, Milton and even Holman? was ahead of the rush.
Difference was, Milton was accurate with his passes, and had better pocket awareness.
Holman was often late in his timing and off target as well.
That left Holman getting hit more often behind the line than Milton, as Holman just couldnt read fast enough.
Holman looked ok when everything was right, no hurries,nice pocket,and much more time,it resembled a slower developing pass play weve seen here under the last two coaches, but when it needed picking up the pace,hit that timing by seeing it first,then throwing it quickly,it was Milton who kept it together there.

 

[Doc Fumble]

Our D? Will take time. Like at UCF. Might expect a lot of 48-41 games

I'm in the "wait 'til I see it" camp with our D too. The Diaco "no pass rush and let's cover the receivers ten yards off the line of scrimmage" crap we watched last year is still burned into my brain.

That said, I am really encouraged by Chinander's commitment to playing aggressive. I've always believed you need to put pressure on the offense. Even if we give up big plays, I'd much rather see them happen because we were too aggressive rather than too passive like we witnessed last season.

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

I'm in the "wait 'til I see it" camp with our D too. The Diaco "no pass rush and let's cover the receivers ten yards off the line of scrimmage" crap we watched last year is still burned into my brain.

That said, I am really encouraged by Chinander's commitment to playing aggressive. I've always believed you need to put pressure on the offense. Even if we give up big plays, I'd much rather see them happen because we were too aggressive rather than too passive like we witnessed last season.

I got you beat there doc , like I said, I quit watching last year.
Its interesting to 'catch up' reading about the 'strain' of last year.

I do remember what I did see,and I also remember what a friend told me, diaco did what he did with two 5* players,the rest all 4* players on that notre dame team.
I like the fact ucf recruited in the low 50s for classes,and they held mich their first year to their lowest rushing output, or auburn to their second or third lowest rushing output.
Now to me, thats coaching