What happens when you play up tempo offense and go 3 and out?

[NUinNC]

Someone please convince me that the Frost strategy of up tempo offense doesn't expose our defense.

I see many of our opponents play a grind it out offense with the intent of wearing out the defenses. What happens when we whiff and go three and out several times in a row? I don't think we have the depth to spell our starters on defense.

 

[Removed Spleen of Jordan]

If you go three and out several times in a row your defense is in a bad position whether you are going up tempo or not. It's a matter of 15-20 seconds or so between plays.

 

[1949tackle]

If you go three and out several times in a row your defense is in a bad position whether you are going up tempo or not. It's a matter of 15-20 seconds or so between plays.

Exaactly, look at last year. Better predictor is how well you run the ball effectively. If you are fast tempo and run the ball effectively you will destroy your opponents defense.

 

[Doc Fumble]

Someone please convince me that the Frost strategy of up tempo offense doesn't expose our defense.

I hear you, NUinNC. That is/was my biggest concern too. It was one of the things that I got pissed off about with Tim Beck's offense in the Bo days. There were many times when I thought our offensive and defensive coordinators were playing against each other.

But I've spent a lot of time researching how Frost approaches his offense and defense and I'm prepared to give him the benefit of a doubt. First off, Frost's defenses understands that they are likely to be on the field a lot and approach that as a badge of honor. Because of that, they condition themselves for essentially a fifth quarter game every week and put an emphasis on forcing turnovers to give the offense extra shots.

On offense, it's a feast or famine kind of a deal given the offense we run. And that's a little worrisome given the defenses we'll see in the B1G. That's why a first-year miracle with a first-time QB is wishful thinking.

But I have no doubt that Coach Frost will be fielding one of the better offenses in the country within a couple of years. That, combined with some playmakers on defense, and you've got the ingredients for a legit contender.

 

[Doc Fumble]

Let me say one more thing about this...with an empty pint of Kool-Aid in my hand...

I believe we have one of the very best signal-callers in the country in Coach Frost. His experience and quick mind will give us an advantage against most of the defensive coordinators he'll face.

Also, it's not uncommon to see an offense come out with a surprise game plan that will catch a defense off-guard in their first series. When you combine the element of surprise with a high-octane offense that early advantage multiplies.

 

[Chris]

Let me say one more thing about this...with an empty pint of Kool-Aid in my hand...

I believe we have one of the very best signal-callers in the country in Coach Frost. His experience and quick mind will give us an advantage against most of the defensive coordinators he'll face.

Also, it's not uncommon to see an offense come out with a surprise game plan that will catch a defense off-guard in their first series. When you combine the element of surprise with a high-octane offense that early advantage multiplies.

This. More than almost any coach I trust Frost to keep adapting once he sees how the schemes fit via B1G play

 

[NUinNC]

Thanks. This input and a glass of wine tonight and I will sleep like a baby.

 

[Doc Fumble]

This input and a glass of wine tonight and I will sleep like a baby.

Good to hear I can help put you to sleep. . . . . . . . . . I think.

 

[HuskerMo]

Their UCF defense also causes a lot of turn overs so if that trend continues, it will sure help. That would sure be a big improvement from our past teams.

 

[Jimbosc]

1 - Frost's results as OC have been highly efficient - they don't go 3 and out much.
2. - They play to take the ball away on Defense - in part because there will be some situations where they are back out on D quickly. But mostly to try and get Frost's offense as many possessions as possible - they expect their O to generate points given enough opportunities.

 

[Doc Fumble]

Exaactly, look at last year. Better predictor is how well you run the ball effectively. If you are fast tempo and run the ball effectively you will destroy your opponents defense.

For some reason, I think the natural tendency is to equate up-tempo with throwing the ball. Can you imagine any of the great rushing attacks Nebraska has had over the years operating at Frost's up-tempo pace?

We used to talk about how Osborne's team would wear defenses down by the fourth quarter. Under Frost, a defense without a lot of depth will be gassed by halftime.

 

[NUinNC]

For some reason, I think the natural tendency is to equate up-tempo with throwing the ball. Can you imagine any of the great rushing attacks Nebraska has had over the years operating at Frost's up-tempo pace?

We used to talk about how Osborne's team would wear defenses down by the fourth quarter. Under Frost, a defense without a lot of depth will be gassed by halftime.

When Osborne won the national championship in 97 versus Tennessee he did rely primarily on the run. When Tennessee started to show their fatigue, you could see he raised the pressure by calling plays very quickly. That was very fast paced.

 

[Doc Fumble]

When Osborne won the national championship in 97 versus Tennessee he did rely primarily on the run. When Tennessee started to show their fatigue, you could see he raised the pressure by calling plays very quickly. That was very fast paced.

Good point, NUinNC!

I'm pretty sure when Osborne ratcheted up the pressure on the Vol D in the fourth quarter that little strategic nugget didn't escape the notice of his quarterback.

 

[NUinNC]

Good point, NUinNC!

I'm pretty sure when Osborne ratcheted up the pressure on the Vol D in the fourth quarter that little strategic nugget didn't escape the notice of his quarterback.

I do remember that QB he was cocky and self confident. Dared voters after the game to vote for Michigan instead of Nebraska for National Championship. We got the trophy

 

[Husker Runner]

TO also started having the team huddle up closer to the LOS in order to save time and be able to run more plays. He really was an innovator that started some of the concepts that became the uptempo/spread offenses that we see today.

 

[bshirt]

For some reason, I think the natural tendency is to equate up-tempo with throwing the ball. Can you imagine any of the great rushing attacks Nebraska has had over the years operating at Frost's up-tempo pace?

We used to talk about how Osborne's team would wear defenses down by the fourth quarter. Under Frost, a defense without a lot of depth will be gassed by halftime.

Haha.....that's a good point good doctor!

 

[Dunbar]

Someone please convince me that the Frost strategy of up tempo offense doesn't expose our defense.

I see many of our opponents play a grind it out offense with the intent of wearing out the defenses. What happens when we whiff and go three and out several times in a row? I don't think we have the depth to spell our starters on defense.

That is the one are where I think Frost *may* have to adjust to the B1G - if he tries to rely too much on spreading things out and distributing the ball to everyone; sometimes you just gotta grind.

But, we'll see. We've heard that he wants his spread to be more physical; if that's the case, then his system should be comparable to Osborne '82 on.

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

That is the one are where I think Frost *may* have to adjust to the B1G - if he tries to rely too much on spreading things out and distributing the ball to everyone; sometimes you just gotta grind.

But, we'll see. We've heard that he wants his spread to be more physical; if that's the case, then his system should be comparable to Osborne '82 on.

I think you're onto something.
Those teams had playmakers,both behind the line, and coming accross it, which created space by spreading the defense out, and would get burned if only taking say, the run away, allowing for playmakers catch the ball.
The spread itself does this, but this staff,SF, is one of only a few,that actually uses it to his advantage by putting those playmakers in space, and repeatedly training his qbs to get the ball to them.
Therell be running, around and right at the Big, but, its not like, oh noes,they stopped on run, what are we to do?
Itll be, it looks exactly like a run,oops,someone stepped out of position to make the tackle, its a pass.
Itll then be, they dont step up, and the run is effective.
Did it go for a td?
Not likely, it did what its supposed to do, spread the defense out.
Same with a set, the defense wont have time to get into position,or,switch out a player, the mismatch works.
Does it go for a td?
Again, not likely, but again, its done its job.
Then you have all the iptions on almost every play ran, if the qb is reading things right, the line zone blocks,the qb knows where the play should go, and either he, the rb, or, if a rpo, the reciever does as well.
This will go on all game long,and at a good clip.
If the qb isnt going fast enough, the coaches and or experience will let him know.
As the team gels, it becomes habit, which is dictating to the defense, not the other way around.
It becomes relentless, so yes, a quick 3 and out happens, but so does everything else.

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

This explains one of the rpo's

The offense has also added a pre-snap RPO for the quarterback on this play in the form of a 3-man bubble screen. On the perimeter, since there is one defender (the nickel) up and one defender (the corner) back, the #1 and #2 receivers communicate with each other that they will double team the first defender up to the second defender. The QB is just counting numbers to determine if he will hand the ball off on the pin-pull sweep or throw the bubble screen. Since the defense has aligned with 4 defenders over 3 receivers, the offense should have good numbers to the boundary on the running play. If the WILL linebacker was in the box and the offense had a 3 on 2 advantage on the perimeter, then the QB could throw the bubble screen.
The Chip Kelly/Mark Helfrich/Scott Frost Pin-Pull Sweep
So, same set, but the qb reads the numbers.
So, if the defense tries to dictate to our offense, in this case, the option screen pass is used.
You put fast and good playmakers that have had tons of reps doing this, it leaves the defense guessing.

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

From the same link, this is a more conventional play, but works

LB Read

The offense could also “lock” the backside of the line on the down-lineman and read the linebacker. They could either have the QB run the ball to replace a fast-flowing backside linebacker or have a route-combination that worked into that window. This allowed them to run this concept no matter who they had at the QB position. If they had more of a run-threat at the QB position, they could allow him to run the ball on this play. If the QB did not run as well, they could run this concept as an RPO. If the linebacker were to stay in place as the QB meshed with the back, then the offense would have essentially cut that defender off and the QB would give the ball to the back on the sweep play.