That super rich a-hole that backs Texas Tech is trying to blow up our B1G TV Deal

[Jimbosc]

Couple of random thoughts - I prefer a 16 team playoff with no byes.....especially given how the long layoff has hurt the higher seeded teams overall. As far as spots for teams outside the 4 Power Conferences - I'd prefer there be only 1 that goes to the highest ranked (or power rated) team. It would make conference championship games matter to improve your standing to get in. Could a team be 12-0 and loose a conference championship game and still get in......sure but I think that would be rare. Typically the best non-Power 4 team is pretty easy to find. They would get seeded using the same process the other 15 teams follow so they don't always get #1 team.....could be 12th rated team and match up against #5.

If you want some sort of play in game......I like the idea as a concept.....I don't like making them play an extra game. The play in team probably will lose the playoff game so most likely play 15 games (12, conf champ, play in, Rd of Playoff). But you have to plan for 18 games at least being possible.

Or - just thinking out loud - we take the 4 Power conf. champs automatically and everyone else gets in on merit (ranking, power rating, Sagarin, etc. - but NOT by a committee deciding it). After the 4 champs it is whatever the formulas says the best team left are. NO special consideration for Nutter Dumb.

 

[Husker99]

For the CFP, I think every FBS conference champion should receive an automatic bid. So yes, conference champions from the AAC, Mid-American, etc should receive a playoff bid. And anyone who says teams from those conferences don't deserve a spot in the CFP, yeah, you can miss me with that stuff.

I don't want to hear from fans of teams who complain about their team not making the playoffs saying...

"We finished 3rd in our conference, we have a 10-2 SEC (or B1G) record and FAU gets in but we don't?"

My response would be: Then next time make sure you win your conference.

So I think the CFP should be 16 teams and like Jimbo said, no byes. Every FBS conference champion gets an automatic invite to the CFP and all the committee needs to do is determine the remaining at-large bids to round out the field of 16.

Give every conference champion a seat at the table and then let them go as far into the CFP as they are able to.

EDIT: And one more thing, again as Jimbo said, no more "special consideration" for Notre Dumb.

 

[Cigarman]

For the CFP, I think every FBS conference champion should receive an automatic bid. So yes, conference champions from the AAC, Mid-American, etc should receive a playoff bid. And anyone who says teams from those conferences don't deserve a spot in the CFP, yeah, you can miss me with that stuff.

I don't want to hear from fans of teams who complain about their team not making the playoffs saying...

"We finished 3rd in our conference, we have a 10-2 SEC (or B1G) record and FAU gets in but we don't?"

My response would be: Then next time make sure you win your conference.

So I think the CFP should be 16 teams and like Jimbo said, no byes. Every FBS conference champion gets an automatic invite to the CFP and all the committee needs to do is determine the remaining at-large bids to round out the field of 16.

Give every conference champion a seat at the table and then let them go as far into the CFP as they are able to.

EDIT: And one more thing, again as Jimbo said, no more "special consideration" for Notre Dumb.

I disagree. For example, the winner of the MAC was Western Michigan. Western Michigan lost to Michigan State, South Alabama and North Texas. Definitely not deserving of a NC Shot.

If you want to play with the big boys, you need to prove you deserve a shot. Participation trophies are part of what is killing sports.

 

[Husker99]

I disagree. For example, the winner of the MAC was Western Michigan. Western Michigan lost to Michigan State, South Alabama and North Texas. Definitely not deserving of a NC Shot.

If you want to play with the big boys, you need to prove you deserve a shot. Participation trophies are part of what is killing sports.

So then you think that because of happenstance, you should automatically be excluded. That's the core of elitist snobbery we should be moving away from. It's the quintessential notion of:

"Oh, you're a poor, you don't belong at this gala."

If we let only the extreme "Haves" set the rules, then they'll do what they always do: set the rules to continually rig the game in their favor. And the metaphorical deck is already stacked enough against the poor's, just like in real life.

The way the current rules are set up, it makes college football essentially a rigid caste system where if you're a "poor" it makes moving up damn near impossible.

Follow me here: A school like FAU currently cannot compete (in terms of resources) with Nebraska. So because they don't have the same resources, they cannot acquire the kind of players they need to compete. So that means they continue to struggle so the narrative remains: "See, they don't 'deserve' a spot."

And to me, that is fundamentally wrong. Happenstance and being a "poor" should not be chains that keep you down.

 

[Cigarman]

So then you think that because of happenstance, you should automatically be excluded. That's the core of elitist snobbery we should be moving away from. It's the quintessential notion of:

"Oh, you're a poor, you don't belong at this gala."

If we let only the extreme "Haves" set the rules, then they'll do what they always do: set the rules to continually rig the game in their favor. And the metaphorical deck is already stacked enough against the poor's, just like in real life.

The way the current rules are set up, it makes college football essentially a rigid caste system where if you're a "poor" it makes moving up damn near impossible.

Follow me here: A school like FAU currently cannot compete (in terms of resources) with Nebraska. So because they don't have the same resources, they cannot acquire the kind of players they need to compete. So that means they continue to struggle so the narrative remains: "See, they don't 'deserve' a spot."

And to me, that is fundamentally wrong. Happenstance and being a "poor" should not be chains that keep you down.

First of all, no one is excluded. You earn your spot. You are excluded because you have not qualified. If you want to be considered, schedule some tough teams for your non-conference. If a FAU racks up wins against OSU or Bama, they will get a bid. If they get beat by a team that ranks 13th in the Big 10, they don't deserve a slot.

The teams out there who have made the commitment of building a program and playing a tough schedule have earned the right to be considered. The teams that play a schedule full of powder puffs have not.

Not everyone belongs in this gala. It is earned by the best of the best. That is life. Just like the Super Bowl. No one gets an automatic bid. Your play earns you a spot. That is why you don't see any Yugo's on the Nascar circuit.

And yes, the teams that have spent decades and hundreds of millions of dollars building a program are going to dominate the national championships. If a school like FAU wants to compete, they will need to spend. They will need to build facilities that will attract players, they will need to play a schedule that will give them credibility, they will need to hire big dollar coaches, on and on. If they don't want to commit to that. They have no bitch.

 

[RED ED]

I disagree. For example, the winner of the MAC was Western Michigan. Western Michigan lost to Michigan State, South Alabama and North Texas. Definitely not deserving of a NC Shot.

If you want to play with the big boys, you need to prove you deserve a shot. Participation trophies are part of what is killing sports.

Ya but we all like orange slices

 

[ramelbm]

If you want to play with the big boys, you need to prove you deserve a shot. Participation trophies are part of what is killing sports.

I would argue that money (and greed) is what’s killing sports.

 

[Uenth]

I would argue that money (and greed) is what’s killing sports.

I could take it a step further but will resist the temptation.

 

[MadRat]

The only was to save CFB is to level the playing field in the mid-tiers. Two conferences strangling the other 80 teams is going to kill the sport. Give the other conferences their spotlight in the sun to shield our top tournament seeds in rounds 1 and 2. Let the wildcards battle back to redemption in the same rounds. Round 3 will set up a spectacular championship.

 

[j d]

Why don't they just hurry up and expand the playoff to 138 teams. Everybody is in, each conference can set their member's schedules. Maybe have a 3 or 4 non-conference games to mix it up. Leave it up to the conferences on whether they want a championship game or not. Absolutely have to have an automatic qualifying clause for ND, because they are of course ND. There will be arguments, but eventually we'll get down to the top couple teams and they'll play for the championship.

Oh, wait, we had that. Maybe this whole thing was about expanding the number of games to generate more money for the colleges, coaches, networks, and of course now the top players. Forget the fact that these players are supposed to be student-athletes, this is big business.

 

[Jimbosc]

Would 1984 BYU win a MNC in the current system given the team they had.......I think not. Got to play an average Michigan team at a lesser bowl game to win the MNC. 1983 Nebraska would have boat raced 1984 BYU - given a chance to play them.

I'd be OK just taking the 16 "best teams" based on merit - not a committee. Come up with a formula and use it. The Power 4 conferences won't like no automatic berths but they likely will get all 16 spots most years. But you leave the door open for non-Power 4 teams to get in if they do enough to earn it.

Schedule Alabama, Nebraska and Clemson....James Madison this means you.

 

[Husker99]

The only was to save CFB is to level the playing field in the mid-tiers. Two conferences strangling the other 80 teams is going to kill the sport. Give the other conferences their spotlight in the sun to shield our top tournament seeds in rounds 1 and 2. Let the wildcards battle back to redemption in the same rounds. Round 3 will set up a spectacular championship.

Exactly my point. If conferences outside of the B1G and SEC aren't given a seat at the table, it's going to kill college football altogether.

I have an idea that is entirely improbable and will never be adopted, but I am going offer it up for discussion..

1. Make college football year round. Have a Winter, Spring, Fall, and Summer seasons.

2. In the Fall season a team plays their normal conference schedule.

3. Then in the other three seasons, they play a slate against other conferences. For example, Nebraska's schedule for the year could look like this:

A. Fall, play a B1G schedule.
B. Winter, play an SEC schedule.
C. Spring, play a Big 12 schedule.
D. Summer, play a PAC 12 schedule.

In each season, instead of playing 12 regular season games, play 9. 9 x 4 = 36. That leaves 16 weeks where teams could have a three week break in-between seasons and still have a month for playoffs.

By doing this, we could likely cut the playoff field back to 4-6 teams to crown a true national champion because by a team playing 9 teams from their conference and 9 teams from other conferences, we'd get a true measure of how good a team really is because nearly everyone plays everyone else.

Disclaimer: I just want college football year round instead of having to wait 8 months in-between seasons.

 

[Jimbosc]

Exactly my point. If conferences outside of the B1G and SEC aren't given a seat at the table, it's going to kill college football altogether.

I have an idea that is entirely improbable and will never be adopted, but I am going offer it up for discussion..

1. Make college football year round. Have a Winter, Spring, Fall, and Summer seasons.

2. In the Fall season a team plays their normal conference schedule.

3. Then in the other three seasons, they play a slate against other conferences. For example, Nebraska's schedule for the year could look like this:

A. Fall, play a B1G schedule.
B. Winter, play an SEC schedule.
C. Spring, play a Big 12 schedule.
D. Summer, play a PAC 12 schedule.

In each season, instead of playing 12 regular season games, play 9. 9 x 4 = 36. That leaves 16 weeks where teams could have a three week break in-between seasons and still have a month for playoffs.

By doing this, we could likely cut the playoff field back to 4-6 teams to crown a true national champion because by a team playing 9 teams from their conference and 9 teams from other conferences, we'd get a true measure of how good a team really is because nearly everyone plays everyone else.

Disclaimer: I just want college football year round instead of having to wait 8 months in-between seasons.

NASCAR has tried essentially a season long schedule. It probably contributed to the decline in interest as much as anything - too many races....too long of a season... Fans lose interest if you have 30+ events. I don't see Football being a Fall support changing. While I understand the plight of smaller schools (in terms of revenue) giving everyone the same share of the pie smacks of good old fashion Communism. Some level of rewarding teams that create the most value is needed. Maybe you set a floor of TV revenue for everyone and conferences keep doing their own deals for that additional value?

 

[Pavlov's Dog]

I LIKE Cinderella stories.

 

[Husker99]

@Jimbosc ... Yeah you're probably right about the declining interest if it was year round. And, admittedly, the way Nebraska crashed out at the end of this past season, I was at my limit for wanting to watch any more Husker football. So yeah, I just shot down my own argument.

#TrueTalent

 

[Jimbosc]

@Jimbosc ... Yeah you're probably right about the declining interest if it was year round. And, admittedly, the way Nebraska crashed out at the end of this past season, I was at my limit for wanting to watch any more Husker football. So yeah, I just shot down my own argument.

#TrueTalent

You failed to close your argument - that reminds me of another Sherriff Buford T. Justice comment on closing something......

 

[MadRat]

I believe football in the fall and spring work. They need a break over most of the winter. One rivalry game somewhere neutral (preferably warm) that occurs during the winter break to keep a festive bowl-like atmosphere. The current bowl landscape sucks. 5-6 games before winter, 5-6 after. That is a game every 2-3 weeks. Playoffs begin in late April and conclude with a Memorial Day championship. Spreading out games mitigates all this CTE crap and injured players miss fewer games.

The NFL figured out, indoor stadiums or not, football isn't a great product during the cold of winter. The only games in that span are playoff games, and quite frankly they blow chunks when outdoors. But spring football works. Minor leagures generally play spring ball. When minor leagues try to compete with the NFL they go broke.

 

[Huskergod84]

I believe football in the fall and spring work. They need a break over most of the winter. One rivalry game somewhere neutral (preferably warm) that occurs during the winter break to keep a festive bowl-like atmosphere. The current bowl landscape sucks. 5-6 games before winter, 5-6 after. That is a game every 2-3 weeks. Playoffs begin in late April and conclude with a Memorial Day championship. Spreading out games mitigates all this CTE crap and injured players miss fewer games.

The NFL figured out, indoor stadiums or not, football isn't a great product during the cold of winter. The only games in that span are playoff games, and quite frankly they blow chunks when outdoors. But spring football works. Minor leagures generally play spring ball. When minor leagues try to compete with the NFL they go broke.

What minor league football has EVER succeeded? NONE. Not a single one. And the XFL even tried to do it during the summer. Every sport has its season.

 

[Huskergod84]

I say get rid of all the conferences. Make it 120 teams in the FBS. rank them 1-120, divide them into 12 10 team divisions. You play one team from each division. Use the NSAA (Nebraska high school) point system. You get so many points for beating a team, such as:
50 pts for winning a game against a team with 0, 1 or 2 losses
48 pts for winning a game agaist a team with 3,4,5 losses
46 pts for winning a games against a team with 6.7,8 9 losses
44 pts for winning a game against a team with 10,11,12 losses
If you lose you get
42 pts for a loss to a team with 0,1,2 losses
40 pts for a loss to a team with 3,4,5 losses
38 pts for a loss to a team with 6,7,8,9 losses
35 pts for a loss to a team with 10,11,12 losses
Your points would change from week to week as a teams recored changes. At the end of the season take the top 16 teams (point averages) to the playoffs.
Take the tv money and split it between the top 120 teams every year so they all get the same amount. Scrap all conferences. Division 2 can be the next 120 teams. The top 10 in Div 2 replace the bottom 10 in division 1 every year, so smaller schools will get a chance to play with the big boys. Give each school a maximum they can spend on players. All players are on scholarship, and all players get paid. There will be a minimum each player gets paid and a maximum. All NIL money goes to the schools to use as their payout. But again there is a cap for each team. Say 30 million.
As for the portal: you stay a minimum of 2 years at the first school you sign with and then get one transfer for the rest of your career. If the coach you sign with gets fired or quits you can transfer, but not to the school he went to for the first year he is there.

 

[MadRat]

What minor league football has EVER succeeded? NONE. Not a single one. And the XFL even tried to do it during the summer. Every sport has its season.

The UFL (XFL and USFL merger) and CFL are financially stable at the moment. Indoor football leagues have been going for decades. Semipro football has been around over 100 years. Minor league teams constantly evolve because they generally don't have consistent sponsors or stadium commitments. But pure love of the game keeps them around.

UFL is a Spring league. CFL goes June through October, Canada's warmer months. Indoor Football League, financially the best arena league, is March to July. Almost all arena leagues, mostly played by blue collar participants with no shot at the NFL, generally go late Spring through June or July. Nobody wants to compete financially against the NCAA and NFL. The only football league that has sustained during the same season is NAIA, another collegiate program with a 70+ year long tradition. But many NAIA programs started back between 1890-1910 under conferences that often included future NCAA programs. So imho football is best played in fair and warmer weather.

Spring football and bowl games are largely played at a loss to the programs. Spreading the season out allows players to focus on being student-athletes. Spreading the season out helps players recover from injuries between games. Spreading the season out with a winter break, with bowl games replaced by a rivalry game at a neutral venue, can work.