Scott Frost

[Doc Holiday]

Is this a "only Nebraska guys or bust" statement? What has Parella done that is so good that warrants keeping him and all the other asst's get the pink slip? This team as a whole seems very poor, not just WR's, DB's, LB's.....

Bug,
Like I said earlier one thing I have noticed is having a coach that gets kept around makes the initial transition easier and Coach JP has done a better job than you might think....he took a bunch of young guys most of whom never played the 3-4 and who were in fact recruited to play the 4-3 and made a perdy decent line out of them.....all those guys are in a completely new system to them and Diaco's 3-4 is itself unique among 3-4 scheme's so really he in my opinion has done a better than average job.....I know if they were allowed to be here next season they would be head and shoulders better because of experience in playing full time in this new system.
But I get what your saying so just for the transitioning that has to take place having a Coach who is already familiar with the players is a real asset.
Again just what I have seen my self....it really does help with guys not recruited by the new incoming staff getting up to speed and bought in.

Doc.

 

[Bugeaters]

Bug,
Like I said earlier one thing I have noticed is having a coach that gets kept around makes the initial transition easier and Coach JP has done a better job than you might think....he took a bunch of young guys most of whom never played the 3-4 and who were in fact recruited to play the 4-3 and made a perdy decent line out of them.....all those guys are in a completely new system to them and Diaco's 3-4 is itself unique among 3-4 scheme's so really he in my opinion has done a better than average job.....I know if they were allowed to be here next season they would be head and shoulders better because of experience in playing full time in this new system.
But I get what your saying so just for the transitioning that has to take place having a Coach who is already familiar with the players is a real asset.
Again just what I have seen my self....it really does help with guys not recruited by the new incoming staff getting up to speed and bought in.

Doc.

I probably could of worded my comment better. I believe JP is a good coach but i also believe there are other good coaches on this team, not just him. I guess, i tire of the "Ex Husker or nothing" kind of feelings. That was more my point.

 

[Big Red]

Doc,
Does your friend have any direct insight from Frost on whether he will be coming to Nebraska if offered the right package? There's so much smoke out there right now that it's hard to even get a true feel from the people that know Scott. Of course, the big fear right now is that everyone will be hard on the next guy if it isn't Frost.

 

[ramelbm]

Kelly was in the NFL when Frost was OC at Oregon

GBR

Whoops, I forgot about Helfrich being the OC when SF was a position coach. That said, SF was on the same side of the ball as the two previous coaches, which was my original point.

 

[Huusker]

My guess is that Moos already has a pretty good idea from Frost's agent about our chances. At least I hope that's the case. I'd think NU's attorneys are working out a deal somewhere under deep cover.

I'm not saying it's necessarily a done deal, but I'd think Moos has a fairly clear picture of what's likely to happen and he's getting prepared for the big step, whether it's Frost or some other name.

 

[Red Storm Rising]

My guess is that Moos already has a pretty good idea from Frost's agent about our chances. At least I hope that's the case. I'd think NU's attorneys are working out a deal somewhere under deep cover.

I'm not saying it's necessarily a done deal, but I'd think Moos has a fairly clear picture of what's likely to happen and he's getting prepared for the big step, whether it's Frost or some other name.

If ADBM has not been in contact with SF's agent, we need to start looking for a new AD

GBR

 

[Doc Holiday]

Doc,
Does your friend have any direct insight from Frost on whether he will be coming to Nebraska if offered the right package? There's so much smoke out there right now that it's hard to even get a true feel from the people that know Scott. Of course, the big fear right now is that everyone will be hard on the next guy if it isn't Frost.

Well please understand that what I have been told ( by the same person who is friends with Frost and does talk to him more than once a month was strictly about what offense he would run if he got the job at home and to my surprise in is kinda the exact thing I think we need most and just happened to be what he is really well informed on so to me it was a positive step.

As to how he stands on coming home.....only he can tell you that....even if I knew where he stood (and honestly I don't have a clue ) I would not be at liberty to say.....too much water has to pass under that bridge yet for me to stick my neck out and then have some crazy thing foul it all up.

I do know he has always said he would like to someday come back here and Coach and I have heard nothing to the contrary except baseless speculation by media types looking to get a story read.....they can say what ever they want and not be held accountable for it simply by saying their source was wrong.....so no I wouldn't go down that road.

However like already said above this time I know we have the sharpest tools in the box working on this and if in fact this is the way they will go I don't think Moos is not moving forward as we visit about it.....there would be lots of people doing lots of dollars and cents things behind the scenes plus all the legal hoops that need to be jumped through and proper channels followed....a deal of this magnitude with this much riding on the outcome is not one taken lightly I promise you....there is some things I just can't talk about till the time is right because I gave my word at a meeting that was held but to back up my story I did reveal to the Administration of this board what I was involved in just so when all said and done no one could cry poo-poo on me.
I can say this one thing.....a lot of purely football related stuff was talked about and I was just one of several people at the meeting . My general feeling after that meeting is we have right now the best guys in the right jobs to get this thing fixed and fixed right....Green, Bounds & Moos are the best we have had in a LONG TIME......and exactly the right guys for this school at this time......I am positive this will be handled the right way and they will get this fixed I am positive of that.

Doc.

 

[Big Red]

Doc, I appreciate your reply, but more than that, I appreciate your integrity.

If the approach Green and Bounds took to hire Moos is any indication, I can certainly see evidence of why you are confident that they're up to the task of fixing the program we all love.

Thanks for all you do!
GBR !!

 

[cornstar]

I probably could of worded my comment better. I believe JP is a good coach but i also believe there are other good coaches on this team, not just him. I guess, i tire of the "Ex Husker or nothing" kind of feelings. That was more my point.

Honestly, if anyone looks at how the players have developed at their respective position groups, JP is the only coach on this staff who has done anything close to an acceptable job, regardless of whether he played here or not.

It just blows my mind how some Husker fans think that being a former player at NU is a negative when looking for guys to coach here.

 

[cornstar]

Well please understand that what I have been told ( by the same person who is friends with Frost and does talk to him more than once a month was strictly about what offense he would run if he got the job at home and to my surprise in is kinda the exact thing I think we need most and just happened to be what he is really well informed on so to me it was a positive step.

As to how he stands on coming home.....only he can tell you that....even if I knew where he stood (and honestly I don't have a clue ) I would not be at liberty to say.....too much water has to pass under that bridge yet for me to stick my neck out and then have some crazy thing foul it all up.

I do know he has always said he would like to someday come back here and Coach and I have heard nothing to the contrary except baseless speculation by media types looking to get a story read.....they can say what ever they want and not be held accountable for it simply by saying their source was wrong.....so no I wouldn't go down that road.

However like already said above this time I know we have the sharpest tools in the box working on this and if in fact this is the way they will go I don't think Moos is not moving forward as we visit about it.....there would be lots of people doing lots of dollars and cents things behind the scenes plus all the legal hoops that need to be jumped through and proper channels followed....a deal of this magnitude with this much riding on the outcome is not one taken lightly I promise you....there is some things I just can't talk about till the time is right because I gave my word at a meeting that was held but to back up my story I did reveal to the Administration of this board what I was involved in just so when all said and done no one could cry poo-poo on me.
I can say this one thing.....a lot of purely football related stuff was talked about and I was just one of several people at the meeting . My general feeling after that meeting is we have right now the best guys in the right jobs to get this thing fixed and fixed right....Green, Bounds & Moos are the best we have had in a LONG TIME......and exactly the right guys for this school at this time......I am positive this will be handled the right way and they will get this fixed I am positive of that.

Doc.

Question, have you changed your opinion on whether you feel that Frost is a guy that NU should look at when/once Riley is no longer the coach?

There is no wrong answer, just curious.

 

[Bugeaters]

Honestly, if anyone looks at how the players have developed at their respective position groups, JP is the only coach on this staff who has done anything close to an acceptable job, regardless of whether he played here or not.

It just blows my mind how some Husker fans think that being a former player at NU is a negative when looking for guys to coach here.

It just blows my mind that you say some Husker fans............ (fill in the blanks) when that isn't happening. You remind me of my 9 year old son where i have to "father him" on how he should be acting because its a learning experience. No where have i said anything of the sort of what you are stating. I don't give a flying f**k who our coaches are or where they are from as long as they are getting the job done. Our defensive line hasn't shown well in many games. JP is the coach of that line. JP just happens to be ex husker - end of story. I have never said any coaches should be fired, i have never said any coaches should be kept. I simply asked what has JP done that has been SO above what the other coaches have done that warrants his praise. VERY SIMPLE and VALID question - but since you troll every damn thread on here where you don't agree, i guess your mind has issues around this.

Admins - i have attempted to give this board another chance over the years, but when people like Husker94 and lately cornstar constantly troll, flame, and put words in peoples mouths - i'll choose to go somewhere else. I have seen cornstar get told to cool it in threads and given warnings but it seems like his ego and arrogance because he can hide behind a PC continues to get the best of him.

Please delete my ID.....I have asked for this happen once but was talked out it....No more....Just delete my account. These boards (not just this one) are no longer fun to come to. Most are good people and most can have normal discussions whether they agree or disagree. Its people like cornstar and Husker94 that ruin it for the rest of us. Squeaky wheel always gets the oil.

Thanks

 

[charlie]

You can always ignore him in your profile.

Let me put it this way. Yes cornstar pushes things to the limits and then when confronted backs off.

In situations like these, members should use the tools available to them. Like the ignore list in their profiles. If enough members ignore another member, their gratification of stirring up trouble is diminished.

On the flip side, as an administrator/owner, I do not have the resources available to me to placate every user that gets offended and try and talk them into staying. I really hate to lose any members, but I need everyone's cooperation to help keep the board as a fun and salient as possible. Use your tools and if anyone gets really abusive, we can then take the big guns out.

Since this is not the topic of this thread, any further discussion of this should be taken to the BHF Announcements forum.

Charlie

 

[Doc Holiday]

Thanks but I ain't doing anything more than any of us would.....

What people outside the world of Husker Athletics don't realize is these simple facts;

A. We have no "Professional" sports teams other than the minor league hockey and Arena Football in Nebraska so we are very protective and proud of our University and it's Athletes in all sports.

B. In Nebraska The Husker Football program goes way beyond what other states have for several reasons.....but here Football is King.

C. The State run public owned University of NEBRASKA belongs more so here than other states to it's people . The Majority of which are Farm or Ranch families and among those are a good bunch who have passed their Farm/Ranches down from generation to generation and some can be traced back to before Nebraska even became a State, and just like that tradition the Football tradition gets passed down the same way.....ever wonder how many proud parents purchase their new born child in this state first clothes and it's something that either has the Block "N" on it or actually says.... "Future Husker" on it and alot have a picture of Herbie Husker on it......?......last time I peeked in a maternity ward at all the Babies in their little clear plastic tubs boy and girl alike.....over 60% of the Baby's that day had husker baby gear on !!! that says something right there now.

D ). The hard working honest people of this state are tough minded and fair and they expect their Football team to reflect those same values and hold the Coaches of those players to a higher standard than 90% of other schools that are our size. In other words we expect honesty and hard work like wise contrary to the national media's perception we do not think we should win every game of every season and play for a National Title every year........We do however feel our team (this includes Coaching Staff) should be good enough to be "IN" every game and be at least competitive with anyone in the country....you hear all the talk about Parity in today's College Game then we should be able to at least hold our own with anyone who suits up and straps down on Saturdays in the Fall.....that is really all we want.....and expect....yes when Coach Osborne and his staff were here we got used to being competitive and in contention or at least considered for division and Conference as well as a few National Titles......
The good people of this state are just plain sick of one half way decent season then the next we're blown out By an average of 30 pts per game.....sorry but that hound just won't hunt period and like my old Grand pap always said "A Hound boy is just like a tool, if the tool don't work what do you do....you replace it with one that works " and a more honest and true statement never came out of his mouth.....if it's broke ....Fix It....if it ain't broke leave well enough alone.

Bottom line is the Good People of this state rally around one thing every Saturday in the fall....Rich, Poor, Rancher, Office Worker....one thing draws us all equal.....NEBRASKA FOOTBALL.
SO yeah the Football team is under a microscope in this state but not in the negative way it gets portrayed by the National and to a lesser degree the local media.....it's a positive thing.....when the Huskers are Rolling and playing tough....it picks up the whole states moral....yeah we walk and talk with a Swagger....but we earned that right the old fashioned way.....we worked for it.
More than anything we have GOT TO HAVE A COACHING STAFF THAT REFLECTS THOSE VALUES......if we can find that person....no matter who he is or where he comes from.....things will be a whole lot different.
This much I KNOW FOR A FACT.....95% of the stuff that goes on with the players on this team would never be tolerated by the Coaches we played for....if you didn't rally to the ball no matter if it's on the other side of the field from your responsibility or not....if you weren't giving 100% effort on every single snap on Defense......you were headed for a long fall riding the pine pony....Coach McBride would eat you alive if you gave anything less than 100% effort and you would not be playing real dang quick....sure there were guys hungry as all get out behind you that would step up if you were hurt....Coach Mac liked tough guys but didn't want to have a Hurt guy in there playing when a healthy guy was available.....but NO BODY WANTED TO DISAPPOINT Coach Mac....and get pulled for lack of effort.....because you never wanted to let him or your teammates down.....if you did......well your name was MUDD real dang quick.....and you were headed for an attitude adjustment or a walk of shame down drop out lane.....and NO BODY WANTED THAT TRUST ME.
ALL of this above seems to be missing from the Huskers of this era....where and when did it go ?????not the point.....the point is it's gone and untill we get that back....get used to hanging around the bottom of the conference is all I gotta add.

Doc

 

[Blatz]

Thanks but I ain't doing anything more than any of us would.....

What people outside the world of Husker Athletics don't realize is these simple facts;

A. We have no "Professional" sports teams other than the minor league hockey and Arena Football in Nebraska so we are very protective and proud of our University and it's Athletes in all sports.

B. In Nebraska The Husker Football program goes way beyond what other states have for several reasons.....but here Football is King.

C. The State run public owned University of NEBRASKA belongs more so here than other states to it's people . The Majority of which are Farm or Ranch families and among those are a good bunch who have passed their Farm/Ranches down from generation to generation and some can be traced back to before Nebraska even became a State, and just like that tradition the Football tradition gets passed down the same way.....ever wonder how many proud parents purchase their new born child in this state first clothes and it's something that either has the Block "N" on it or actually says.... "Future Husker" on it and alot have a picture of Herbie Husker on it......?......last time I peeked in a maternity ward at all the Babies in their little clear plastic tubs boy and girl alike.....over 60% of the Baby's that day had husker baby gear on !!! that says something right there now.

D ). The hard working honest people of this state are tough minded and fair and they expect their Football team to reflect those same values and hold the Coaches of those players to a higher standard than 90% of other schools that are our size. In other words we expect honesty and hard work like wise contrary to the national media's perception we do not think we should win every game of every season and play for a National Title every year........We do however feel our team (this includes Coaching Staff) should be good enough to be "IN" every game and be at least competitive with anyone in the country....you hear all the talk about Parity in today's College Game then we should be able to at least hold our own with anyone who suits up and straps down on Saturdays in the Fall.....that is really all we want.....and expect....yes when Coach Osborne and his staff were here we got used to being competitive and in contention or at least considered for division and Conference as well as a few National Titles......
The good people of this state are just plain sick of one half way decent season then the next we're blown out By an average of 30 pts per game.....sorry but that hound just won't hunt period and like my old Grand pap always said "A Hound boy is just like a tool, if the tool don't work what do you do....you replace it with one that works " and a more honest and true statement never came out of his mouth.....if it's broke ....Fix It....if it ain't broke leave well enough alone.

Bottom line is the Good People of this state rally around one thing every Saturday in the fall....Rich, Poor, Rancher, Office Worker....one thing draws us all equal.....NEBRASKA FOOTBALL.
SO yeah the Football team is under a microscope in this state but not in the negative way it gets portrayed by the National and to a lesser degree the local media.....it's a positive thing.....when the Huskers are Rolling and playing tough....it picks up the whole states moral....yeah we walk and talk with a Swagger....but we earned that right the old fashioned way.....we worked for it.
More than anything we have GOT TO HAVE A COACHING STAFF THAT REFLECTS THOSE VALUES......if we can find that person....no matter who he is or where he comes from.....things will be a whole lot different.
This much I KNOW FOR A FACT.....95% of the stuff that goes on with the players on this team would never be tolerated by the Coaches we played for....if you didn't rally to the ball no matter if it's on the other side of the field from your responsibility or not....if you weren't giving 100% effort on every single snap on Defense......you were headed for a long fall riding the pine pony....Coach McBride would eat you alive if you gave anything less than 100% effort and you would not be playing real dang quick....sure there were guys hungry as all get out behind you that would step up if you were hurt....Coach Mac liked tough guys but didn't want to have a Hurt guy in there playing when a healthy guy was available.....but NO BODY WANTED TO DISAPPOINT Coach Mac....and get pulled for lack of effort.....because you never wanted to let him or your teammates down.....if you did......well your name was MUDD real dang quick.....and you were headed for an attitude adjustment or a walk of shame down drop out lane.....and NO BODY WANTED THAT TRUST ME.
ALL of this above seems to be missing from the Huskers of this era....where and when did it go ?????not the point.....the point is it's gone and untill we get that back....get used to hanging around the bottom of the conference is all I gotta add.

Doc

No trolling in that post! That is the post of a NEBRASKAN, not just an ex-husker.

Of course fan forums aren't fun anymore, because there are 2 million Huskers that are really pissed about the lousy effort. Since it boils down to one common denominator the redundancy rate in the "it's Riley's fault" posts has hit the point of exhaustion. Cornstar and 94 aren't much different than the masses in my opinion, just voicing their disgust and disappointment more or more pointed.

 

[justino52]

Honestly, if anyone looks at how the players have developed at their respective position groups, JP is the only coach on this staff who has done anything close to an acceptable job, regardless of whether he played here or not.

It just blows my mind how some Husker fans think that being a former player at NU is a negative when looking for guys to coach here.

That's not at all what Bugeaters said. JP is not the only coach that has done close to an acceptable job. And if close to an acceptable job is good enough now days, Nebraska will not be good enough anytime soon.

 

[justino52]

No trolling in that post! That is the post of a NEBRASKAN, not just an ex-husker.

Of course fan forums aren't fun anymore, because there are 2 million Huskers that are really pissed about the lousy effort. Since it boils down to one common denominator the redundancy rate in the "it's Riley's fault" posts has hit the point of exhaustion. Cornstar and 94 aren't much different than the masses in my opinion, just voicing their disgust and disappointment more or more pointed.

Cowards is not what fans call college players playing at DONU. And if the masses believes that, then maybe the masses need to rethink their values.

 

[cornstar]

That's not at all what Bugeaters said.

I never said he said that, I said "some Husker fans." Listen to some of the shows on 1620, often times when it gets mentioned that a former Husker is being considered as a new coach at NU, said person is mocked and clowned.

What pretty much no one has ever said is that to coach at NU you have to be a former Husker.

JP is not the only coach that has done close to an acceptable job.

Who else do you feel has been close to acceptable?

And if close to an acceptable job is good enough now days, Nebraska will not be good enough anytime soon.

I agree. I think that JP has done some good things with what he has had to work with, but not good enough.

 

[justino52]

I never said he said that, I said "some Husker fans." Listen to some of the shows on 1620, often times when it gets mentioned that a former Husker is being considered as a new coach at NU, said person is mocked and clowned.

What pretty much no one has ever said is that to coach at NU you have to be a former Husker.



Who else do you feel has been close to acceptable?



I agree. I think that JP has done some good things with what he has had to work with, but not good enough.

I think Trent Bray and Keith Williams have done every bit as good a job as you think JP has.

 

[Blatz]

I think Trent Bray and Keith Williams have done every bit as good a job as you think JP has.

Keith Williams has I'll gladly agree with you there. if he ever fixes Morgan's drop issues then he would be doing our very best job imo. Bray might be doing well with limited resources, I don't know. In this D, the 'backers are pretty darn important and what I see on the field is problems with our dbacks and the linebackers.

About Parella and the whole former Husker thing... that's not all of it. It's the guy and what he brings to the table. He's a grinder that made it work as a collegian and then as a pro. And he has so much enthusiasm and "can do" attitude that it translate into recruits and his players.

About that coward comment that was posted. That obviously put a burr in your saddle and although I didn't agree with the writer about that, who among us hasn't spoken in haste? I read it, and it was water of a ducks back to me even though I didn't agree.

 

[justino52]

Keith Williams has I'll gladly agree with you there. if he ever fixes Morgan's drop issues then he would be doing our very best job imo. Bray might be doing well with limited resources, I don't know. In this D, the 'backers are pretty darn important and what I see on the field is problems with our dbacks and the linebackers.

About Parella and the whole former Husker thing... that's not all of it. It's the guy and what he brings to the table. He's a grinder that made it work as a collegian and then as a pro. And he has so much enthusiasm and "can do" attitude that it translate into recruits and his players.

About that coward comment that was posted. That obviously put a burr in your saddle and although I didn't agree with the writer about that, who among us hasn't spoken in haste? I read it, and it was water of a ducks back to me even though I didn't agree.

I don't have an issue with things spoken in haste. I have an issue when something is spoken in haste...then repeated, then being told that everyone knows the person who spoke to it is right and we know it. That's my issue with the coward comment.

I think the issue with JP runs both ways to people. If he wasn't an ex player, there are people that would say he's not doing well. I see the D-line like the linebackers. I think there are limited resources on both accounts. There are too many missed assignments on the backers. Some of that has to do with injuries. But seeing our D-line not get off blocks and just getting pushed around is like watching the backers miss assignments.