QB for 2021

[NorthwoodHusker]

Perhaps a reading comprehension class would help. It is a team sport. One player don't win or lose by himself. I know bashing players makes you feel intelligent. But constantly slamming someone who can't slam you back just makes you an a$$.

The fact is Martinez is a 71% passer, most of the time throwing passes against a defense set up to protect against a pass. In 4 years, Frazier one time exceeded 50% mostly throwing a play action passes against a defense set up to stop the run.

Whats even more remarkable is his start, where he got benched,prompted me to start a thread about having a qb in this system throwing under 50%, then to finish with a Nebraska record.
Can we win when our qb throws under 50%

 

[innmc]

Or maybe if he had a WR without boards for hands like Warner, his stats would have been even better. He would have had two more TDs for sure anyway. At any rate, the QB runs the play called. IMHO, 71% shows an exceptional grasp of the system. That's 71% with no All-American linemen or receivers. Not even any all conference. How good would he be with time to throw and receivers who can consistently get open?

And a center who can put the ball where it needs to be.

 

[Husker99]

reading comprehension class would help. It is a team sport. One player don't win or lose by himself. I know bashing players makes you feel intelligent. But constantly slamming someone who can't slam you back just makes you an a$$.

The fact is Martinez is a 71% passer, most of the time throwing passes against a defense set up to protect against a pass. In 4 years, Frazier one time exceeded 50% mostly throwing a play action passes against a defense set up to stop the run.

I not "slamming" anyone, snowflake.

I'm merely saying that due to the TEAM'S overall record and performance this year, a record of highest completion percentage is nothing to toot our horn about.

Like, you seriously gonna argue about this?



Have fun putting your own boxers into a twist.

 

[MadRat]

There's no point in pumping AM here. He makes poor reads, going for easy dumps rather than truly pressuring a defense with his throws. Throwing a safe 75% completion rate is a pathetic job, not remarkable. I'd rather have the 50% passer that can get the job done without the constant stream of miscues and turnovers.

But fixing the QB roles - not necessarily simply changing the person - would surely help. The QB shouldn't have to constantly fix bad center snaps. The QB shouldn't need to run more than 15 times a game. The QB shouldn't be dependent on midget recievers. The QB should be able to rely on a steady run game to create space between linebackers and DBs. A deep threat WR should further increase that depth between linebackers and DBs. The OL and a big blocking back should both provide pass protection and gash open holes through the defensive front to take the load off the QB. Our OC should be rotating personnel in and out of the game to create mismatches that allows a QB to be successful. The QB should be in a role where they can manage clock and the down & distance. I mean, argue about completion percentage all you want, but the role has been broken since Frost took over. Fix that.

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

There's no point in pumping AM here. He makes poor reads, going for easy dumps rather than truly pressuring a defense with his throws. Throwing a safe 75% completion rate is a pathetic job, not remarkable. I'd rather have the 50% passer that can get the job done without the constant stream of miscues and turnovers.

But fixing the QB roles - not necessarily simply changing the person - would surely help. The QB shouldn't have to constantly fix bad center snaps. The QB shouldn't need to run more than 15 times a game. The QB shouldn't be dependent on midget recievers. The QB should be able to rely on a steady run game to create space between linebackers and DBs. A deep threat WR should further increase that depth between linebackers and DBs. The OL and a big blocking back should both provide pass protection and gash open holes through the defensive front to take the load off the QB. Our OC should be rotating personnel in and out of the game to create mismatches that allows a QB to be successful. The QB should be in a role where they can manage clock and the down & distance. I mean, argue about completion percentage all you want, but the role has been broken since Frost took over. Fix that.

So, youre making my argument of having a lower completion rate by going further down field with your passes.
What else changes trying to do that?
Does i take more time?
Do your receivers need to get open?
Do your receivers need to run good routes?
How does a good running game effect throwing down field?

Do you quit spreading the field out and eliminate your edge passing game? Your quick hitters?
Do you set up plays by going shallow first?
Do you have the players to do the above?

 

[MRJFB]

Can we at least agree that AM has mediocre to poor field vision but is not helped much at all by the conditions around him (heavy pressure, snaps, inexperienced and less apt receivers)?
And claiming the high pass percentage is some kind of sign of greatness isn't fooling anyone. They are dump offs ala Marlon Lucky as has been talked about. There are a great many problems when your offense is ranked 101st, the worst in our lifetimes.

 

[LinvingProog]

My hope for the coming football season is that at the end of it, I will have to come on this site and apologize for any denigrating comments I may have made about Adrian Martinez' QB skills. I also hope that his completion percentage remains high (plus 70%) and he is being touted as the top QB pick in the NFL draft. I'm a glass half full kind of guy.

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

My hope for the coming football season is that at the end of it, I will have to come on this site and apologize for any denigrating comments I may have made about Adrian Martinez' QB skills. I also hope that his completion percentage remains high (plus 70%) and he is being touted as the top QB pick in the NFL draft. I'm a glass half full kind of guy.

I hope the same for AM
But instead of apologizing, enjoy

 

[Cigarman]

I not "slamming" anyone, snowflake.

I'm merely saying that due to the TEAM'S overall record and performance this year, a record of highest completion percentage is nothing to toot our horn about.

Like, you seriously gonna argue about this?



Have fun putting your own boxers into a twist.

If I were a cupcake like you, I would lay off the name calling. So your 75 posts whining about how much AM sucks is not slamming him. That is good to know.

It is easy to see your football experience goes no farther that powder puff football. We have an anemic running game. We lack a deep threat receiver. We have a center who snaps for the moon. We have linemen who take turns woffing blocks. Special teams have put him in a hole time and time again to start drives. Yet the peanut gallery blames the QB for doing a good job of running the plays the coach calls. If you are stupid enough to think that replacing AM with TF would make this a NC team, you are a total moron.

I know you think chipping a nail is a tragedy. However, this kid has played despite having painful injuries. He never whines, unlike you. When he was benched, he didn't sulk, unlike you. He supported his replacement and teammates, unlike you. When he got a chance he gave 100%. Does he make mistakes, yes. Everyone does except God and he's not playing football.

 

[OhioHusker]

There's no point in pumping AM here. He makes poor reads, going for easy dumps rather than truly pressuring a defense with his throws. Throwing a safe 75% completion rate is a pathetic job, not remarkable. I'd rather have the 50% passer that can get the job done without the constant stream of miscues and turnovers.

But fixing the QB roles - not necessarily simply changing the person - would surely help. The QB shouldn't have to constantly fix bad center snaps. The QB shouldn't need to run more than 15 times a game. The QB shouldn't be dependent on midget recievers. The QB should be able to rely on a steady run game to create space between linebackers and DBs. A deep threat WR should further increase that depth between linebackers and DBs. The OL and a big blocking back should both provide pass protection and gash open holes through the defensive front to take the load off the QB. Our OC should be rotating personnel in and out of the game to create mismatches that allows a QB to be successful. The QB should be in a role where they can manage clock and the down & distance. I mean, argue about completion percentage all you want, but the role has been broken since Frost took over. Fix that.

What is this voodoo you are laying down?

 

[MadRat]

What is this voodoo you are laying down?

I love the smell of football at 11:00 AM, but I love success that puts you in the 2:30 PM time slot even better.

 

[bshirt]

Voted AM
He has the experience, and he may get healthy
Plus, I do believe this year we have as many, if not more weapons for him to use this year than any since hes been here.
And a healthy run game, which we were very inconsistent at is imperative, and again, it looks as good as since year one,possibly deeper.

Absolutely. If our OLine gets vicious & then our running game actually does improve everything else will be far, far easier.

 

[bshirt]

Good point Ed, you can't have hit a deep threat when they never get open or run poor routes. We need some WRs with the ability to create space and a line that can hold blocks long enough for that to happen.

Yeah and center hikes that aren't flying all over the place would probably help a lot too.

 

[bshirt]

There's no point in pumping AM here. He makes poor reads, going for easy dumps rather than truly pressuring a defense with his throws. Throwing a safe 75% completion rate is a pathetic job, not remarkable. I'd rather have the 50% passer that can get the job done without the constant stream of miscues and turnovers.

But fixing the QB roles - not necessarily simply changing the person - would surely help. The QB shouldn't have to constantly fix bad center snaps. The QB shouldn't need to run more than 15 times a game. The QB shouldn't be dependent on midget recievers. The QB should be able to rely on a steady run game to create space between linebackers and DBs. A deep threat WR should further increase that depth between linebackers and DBs. The OL and a big blocking back should both provide pass protection and gash open holes through the defensive front to take the load off the QB. Our OC should be rotating personnel in and out of the game to create mismatches that allows a QB to be successful. The QB should be in a role where they can manage clock and the down & distance. I mean, argue about completion percentage all you want, but the role has been broken since Frost took over. Fix that.

Well stated sir. It's certainly true enough that our marginal (at best) Oline hasn't helped AMart much at all. Run or pass blocking has showed simply inept play. Add to that center hikes that fly everywhere.

However, our Oline quite possibly could be very improved next year. To me, it looked like they actually improved at least somewhat this year. If they do come around big-time next year AMart should look far, far better.

 

[bshirt]

Again, not what I said and relatively moot.

You're the one taking some absurd completion percentage record and using it to prop a your "defense" of AM.

All I am saying is, who cares about any QB holding a record for passing completions when we're 3-6. Like????

If Nebraska was even 5-4 or 6-3 and AM had that record, okay, then that's a little something. But when the team is 3-6, c'mon dude.

Oh boy.....Frazier played with a way, way, wayyyyyy better OLine, DLine, Special teams etc than what AMart has had so far by a country mile.

C'mon dude. That's an outrageous comparison.

 

[Husker99]

Oh boy.....Frazier played with a way, way, wayyyyyy better OLine, DLine, Special teams etc than what AMart has had so far by a country mile.

C'mon dude. That's an outrageous comparison.

I'm NOT making a F&%#ing comparison. People responding to me are.

I'm saying it is STUPID to gloat/brag about an essentially meaningless record.

 

[SCVHusker]

QB has been a mess for the Huskers for a number of years now. I'm not sure why, but we have recruited many good ones out of high school that either didn't translate well in Huskerland or just plain decided to transfer for lack of playing time. Martinez, Armstrong and Martinez are almost all four year starters. That tells me they were good enough to win the starting job and that the competition must not have been very good ... or very fair.

OT, congratulations to Ndomicon, Levote and Khalil on their Super Bowl victory.

 

[MadRat]

I'd say the bad choices of QB go back to throwing Bobby Newcombe under the bus to keep Crouch. The team has been tarnished ever since. And afterwards we doubled down with Lord...

 

[valiantsailor]

I'd say the bad choices of QB go back to throwing Bobby Newcombe under the bus to keep Crouch. The team has been tarnished ever since. And afterwards we doubled down with Lord...

WOW now that is a new conspiracy theory. The established theory was the ghost of Frank Solich

 

[valiantsailor]

QB has been a mess for the Huskers for a number of years now. I'm not sure why, but we have recruited many good ones out of high school that either didn't translate well in Huskerland or just plain decided to transfer for lack of playing time. Martinez, Armstrong and Martinez are almost all four year starters. That tells me they were good enough to win the starting job and that the competition must not have been very good ... or very fair.

OT, congratulations to Ndomicon, Levote and Khalil on their Super Bowl victory.

Poor coaching is more the issue, not talent.