P5 offers - current and future

[uno_911]

I believe this photo went around Twitter a few weeks ago.It was originally tweeted by former Husker Brian Davis if I remember correctly. I don't remember seeing it around here at all, but I could have missed it. Anyway, it shows the best other Power 5 offer our starters have and the future that has been recruited and their best Power 5 offer.

While I understand the frustration with the way the season has gone, and some of those complaints have to do with execution, playcalling, and the perception of their effort. I think should give us some perspective in terms of our talent.

What at do you think we should take away from this? Should it at least slightly change our perspective as we look at Riley?

 

[cornstar]

the problem is, this guy is pushing an agenda, and this list isn't even close to accurate.

if the guys Riley is bringing in are that far superior, then they should be playing over the players from the previous regime. the few that are have been hit and miss.

while Nebraska isn't as talented as Ohio St, Clemson, or Bama, we've certainly recruited better than any team in the B1G West for many, many years.

Losses to Purdue, Illinois, Iowa, Northern Illinois, Northwestern and BYU and getting whipped by Wisconsin and Iowa should not be happening.

it's not talent.

That's on the coaching staff. Plain and simple.

 

[redfred]

That is an interesting pic. HCMR is just getting " his" players up and coming. I know we are scared we will miss Scott Frost, and maybe we will and maybe we won't, but talent is on the horizon. The question fans are asking is can HCMR do anything with it once it is on the field. A fair question given current results, but we might not know the true merit of Coach Riley for a year or two. I'm not sure fans are willing to wait that long to see. IF we dispose of Riley we better have a sure-fire winner in the wings. Without that we better play this hand for awhile yet and let the chips fall where they may......imo.

A loss to Purdue will seal Riley's fate imo. Fair or not, losing to Purdue two out of three will do that to a coach. Imo Riley can salvage his career here but he needs four wins and a close loss to do it.

Riley made his bed with less than ideal coaches out of the gate, and I don't suppose he is sleeping very good right now. Assistant coaches will make or break a head coach. Solly was the first to bypass Riley and go straight to evaluating the assistant coaches if memory serves. I think he was on to something.

 

[HuskerVotary]

the problem is, this guy is pushing an agenda, and this list isn't even close to accurate.

if the guys Riley is bringing in are that far superior, then they should be playing over the players from the previous regime. the few that are have been hit and miss.

while Nebraska isn't as talented as Ohio St, Clemson, or Bama, we've certainly recruited better than any team in the B1G West for many, many years.

Losses to Purdue, Illinois, Iowa, Northern Illinois, Northwestern and BYU and getting whipped by Wisconsin and Iowa should not be happening.

it's not talent.

That's on the coaching staff. Plain and simple.

What should we know abt this guy and his agenda, and what's inaccurate?

 

[SUHnami]

That is an interesting pic. HCMR is just getting " his" players up and coming. I know we are scared we will miss Scott Frost, and maybe we will and maybe we won't, but talent is on the horizon. The question fans are asking is can HCMR do anything with it once it is on the field. A fair question given current results, but we might not know the true merit of Coach Riley for a year or two. I'm not sure fans are willing to wait that long to see. IF we dispose of Riley we better have a sure-fire winner in the wings. Without that we better play this hand for awhile yet and let the chips fall where they may......imo.

A loss to Purdue will seal Riley's fate imo. Fair or not, losing to Purdue two out of three will do that to a coach. Imo Riley can salvage his career here but he needs four wins and a close loss to do it.

Riley made his bed with less than ideal coaches out of the gate, and I don't suppose he is sleeping very good right now. Assistant coaches will make or break a head coach. Solly was the first to bypass Riley and go straight to evaluating the assistant coaches if memory serves. I think he was on to something.

Agreed. Riley cannot afford to lose to Purdue. If he does as you mentioned he's done. We also have to beat Northwestern and Minny. We'll get demolished most likely at PSU and the Iowa game is a crap shoot. I would rather we stick with Riley as coaching carousels never do any team any good. However if he has another losing season this year, it's going to be tough for Moos to explain away 2 losing season in 3 years. That would be worse that Clownahan's tenure at NU.

 

[Cdog923]

The list is a giant misnomer; it doesn't take into account how many years the players have been in school, or any development that has taken place during that time.

Agreed. Riley cannot afford to lose to Purdue. If he does as you mentioned he's done. We also have to beat Northwestern and Minny. We'll get demolished most likely at PSU and the Iowa game is a crap shoot. I would rather we stick with Riley as coaching carousels never do any team any good. However if he has another losing season this year, it's going to be tough for Moos to explain away 2 losing season in 3 years. That would be worse that Clownahan's tenure at NU.

Let's be honest with ourselves; he's already done. They got their will broken in the 4th quarter against Wisconsin, and Ohio State sealed the deal.

 

[cornstar]

What should we know abt this guy and his agenda,

He's grasping at straws trying to get more time for Riley.

and what's inaccurate?

He has people listed on the "Riley recruits" that haven't even signed a LOI (Radley-Hiles, Chase Williams, Jurgens, Moore).

He lists guys as starters that aren't starters (Rahn, Riemers, Anderson, Ketter).

He doesn't list all of the offers (or best offers?) for the previous staff's recruits while he does for Riley's recruits.

He conveniently leaves out that Raridon committed to the previous staff but stuck with his commitment to the school.

He doesn't list certain starters/regulars (Davis twins, for example) that had numerous P5 offers.

He leaves off one the recently most highly rated recruits (L. Jackson--Riley recruit) who has been playing horribly, and also forgets about some of the other more highly rated Riley recruits (Barnett, Stevenson) that have washed out.

T Lee is a Riley recruit.

As I said, if the guys the current staff are recruiting are that much better, then more would be playing, and playing at a high level.


Heck even Rimington said that if former walk ons are starting over scholarship athletes, that's not a walk on problem. That's a scholarship athlete problem. (Weber/Roberts, Gifford(not a walk on)/Alexander, etc.)

This staff isn't developing players and are not putting the players in position to succeed. This staff could get OSU and Bama level recruits and still get boat raced by Wisconsin and finish ~.500.

 

[uno_911]

He's grasping at straws trying to get more time for Riley.



He has people listed on the "Riley recruits" that haven't even signed a LOI (Radley-Hiles, Chase Williams, Jurgens, Moore).

He lists guys as starters that aren't starters (Rahn, Riemers, Anderson, Ketter).

He doesn't list all of the offers (or best offers?) for the previous staff's recruits while he does for Riley's recruits.

He conveniently leaves out that Raridon committed to the previous staff but stuck with his commitment to the school.

He doesn't list certain starters/regulars (Davis twins, for example) that had numerous P5 offers.

He leaves off one the recently most highly rated recruits (L. Jackson--Riley recruit) who has been playing horribly, and also forgets about some of the other more highly rated Riley recruits (Barnett, Stevenson) that have washed out.

T Lee is a Riley recruit.

As I said, if the guys the current staff are recruiting are that much better, then more would be playing, and playing at a high level.


Heck even Rimington said that if former walk ons are starting over scholarship athletes, that's not a walk on problem. That's a scholarship athlete problem. (Weber/Roberts, Gifford(not a walk on)/Alexander, etc.)

This staff isn't developing players and are not putting the players in position to succeed. This staff could get OSU and Bama level recruits and still get boat raced by Wisconsin and finish ~.500.

If I remember correctly, the Davis twins fit into the Raridon comment. As I believe they were committed to the previous staff and had time to go somewhere else if they wanted.

I took the space on the page to identify that those are guys on the list that play, but are not starters. It shows the depth of talent coming forward.

Most of the previous staff's players listed, did not have another P5 offer than the one listed. I checked. Some of them did have another offer from a lower P5 school.

Lamar Jackson hasn't played well, but he is also young, and we can all agree has great athletic talent, but he obviously needs to play better and be developed more. Young guys make mistakes, even at schools with great coaches. They just might not make as many.

Tanner Lee is probably listed wrong, but let's be honest. Tanner Lee wouldn't be here if the cupboard wasn't bare. A.J. Bush transferred and is now a backup QB at Virginia Tech. I will say that I would have liked to see POB playing.


I will agree that they need to develop players better.

If there is a new coach, he will benefit from the younger players Riley has recruited and will look good because of it as long as he is able to utilize the talent correctly.

 

[SUHnami]

The list is a giant misnomer; it doesn't take into account how many years the players have been in school, or any development that has taken place during that time.



Let's be honest with ourselves; he's already done. They got their will broken in the 4th quarter against Wisconsin, and Ohio State sealed the deal.

We agree to disagree then. Personally I think if we win 4 of the next 5 games (PSU being the only loss) Riley has another year. If we lose to Purdue I don't thinks even if somehow we won the remaining games that he'd be able to keep his job. It's one thing to lose to teams you aren't supposed to beat. It's a whole othe thing to lose to teams you should not only beat but beat badly. Purdue is favored to beat us, but if we play the way I know we can, they won't come within 3 TD's of beating us.

 

[Cdog923]

We agree to disagree then. Personally I think if we win 4 of the next 5 games (PSU being the only loss) Riley has another year. If we lose to Purdue I don't thinks even if somehow we won the remaining games that he'd be able to keep his job. It's one thing to lose to teams you aren't supposed to beat. It's a whole othe thing to lose to teams you should not only beat but beat badly. Purdue is favored to beat us, but if we play the way I know we can, they won't come within 3 TD's of beating us.

Well, that's the thing: I don't think they'll win 4 out of the next 5.

 

[cornstar]

Here are the 247 composite scores for recruiting classes:

Year-- Nat. Rank -- player average rankings

2018- 33 - .8914

2017- 24 - .8779

2016- 26 - .8686

2015- 30 - .8616

2014- 35 – .8495

2013- 22 - .8675

2012- 32- .8791

2011- 16- .8832

2010- 26- .8729

With the exception of 2014 (when Eichorst left Pelini out to dry), these classes are very similar.

The average player rankings for the 2018 class are a little higher.

Well, that's the thing: I don't think they'll win 4 out of the next 5.

My fear is we do and Riley comes back for year 4 with his chair engulfed in flames.

 

[uno_911]

Here are the 247 composite scores for recruiting classes:

Year-- Nat. Rank -- player average rankings

2018- 33 - .8914

2017- 24 - .8779

2016- 26 - .8686

2015- 30 - .8616

2014- 35 – .8495

2013- 22 - .8675

2012- 32- .8791

2011- 16- .8832

2010- 26- .8729

With the exception of 2014 (when Eichorst left Pelini out to dry), these classes are very similar.

The average player rankings for the 2018 class are a little higher.





My fear is we do and Riley comes back for year 4 with his chair engulfed in flames.

From these numbers, we can agree on a few key parts. Riley is currently working with the lowest rated group as his upperclassmen since 2010. Those are the three lowest years, and what he is currently working with as his upperclassmen. While they may be similar, I know if you were going to pick a three year span to be your upperclassmen, no one would be picking that three year span from the any of those groups just based on the numbers. I would also point out that the 2014 class is the least similar due to how low it is.

Do I think we could be playing better? Yes, but you somewhat proved the point of the pic. This team isn't as talented as some would like to believe, and that's not completely on Riley, even though one could argue they should have been developed better.

 

[HuskerVotary]

Thanks, 911. Sounds like the list is just an observation; it pretty much reflects reality.

Still don't know much about the guy who put it together or any "agenda".

 

[cornstar]

From these numbers, we can agree on a few key parts. Riley is currently working with the lowest rated group as his upperclassmen since 2010. Those are the three lowest years, and what he is currently working with as his upperclassmen.

While it is the lowest, it is minimally lower.

This team isn't as talented as some would like to believe, and that's not completely on Riley,

Agreed. We never need LESS talent.

But we certainly have more talent than any team in the B1G West, Arkie St, and No. Illinois.

Edit: USC reported that Wiltfong (I think) crystal balled Radley-Hiles to Clemson today.

 

[cornstar]

Thanks, 911. Sounds like the list is just an observation; it pretty much reflects reality.

Still don't know much about the guy who put it together or any "agenda".

You would have to go back and read the series of tweets from the guy and responses to other tweeters.

IIRC, he was basically saying that we need to give Riley more time because we don't have talent but Riley is getting talent.

As we clearly see, talent wasn't the issue for losing to N. Illinois or barely beating Ark St.

 

[HuskerVotary]

I guess I'd like to see the tweets.

If Riley's crew has done recruiting at a better level than the prior staff, we shouldn't be afraid to give him that.

 

[Cdog923]

While it is the lowest, it is minimally lower.



Agreed. We never need LESS talent.

But we certainly have more talent than any team in the B1G West, Arkie St, and No. Illinois.

Edit: USC reported that Wiltfong (I think) crystal balled Radley-Hiles to Clemson today.

I wouldn't worry about CBs for the rest of this recruiting cycle; the class will implode when a change is made.

 

[cornstar]

If Riley's crew has done recruiting at a better level than the prior staff, we shouldn't be afraid to give him that.

Agreed.

But I don't think it's a reason to keep a coach if the on field results are not good.

I wouldn't worry about CBs for the rest of this recruiting cycle; the class will implode when a change is made.

I'm not. I can't imagine the recruiting going gangbusters for the next couple of years with the coach on the hot seat.

If a change is made, hopefully a new coach can get these guys into the program.

 

[Bugeaters]

I wouldn't worry about CBs for the rest of this recruiting cycle; the class will implode when a change is made.

I've been rolling this around in my head...

I am guessing Moos has a good idea already of what he is going to do with Riley.....If my guess is the same guess 90% of the Nebraska fans are having, Riley is going to be let go. IF that is the case, logic is telling me that why not fire him now, so the recruits that have already verbal ed can bail now, rather then after December when it becomes official. What are the pros of letting this ride out only to fire him in December compared to just doing it now so they are ahead of the game so to speak?

This is all assuming Riley gets let go and Moos's mind is already made up - who knows, maybe Moos is actually contemplating on keeping Riley and/or seeing how the rest of the year plays out.

 

[Cdog923]

I've been rolling this around in my head...

I am guessing Moos has a good idea already of what he is going to do with Riley.....If my guess is the same guess 90% of the Nebraska fans are having, Riley is going to be let go. IF that is the case, logic is telling me that why not fire him now, so the recruits that have already verbal ed can bail now, rather then after December when it becomes official. What are the pros of letting this ride out only to fire him in December compared to just doing it now so they are ahead of the game so to speak?

This is all assuming Riley gets let go and Moos's mind is already made up - who knows, maybe Moos is actually contemplating on keeping Riley and/or seeing how the rest of the year plays out.

It wouldn't do anything for recruiting anyways, as no one would commit/stay until a new coach is named in Dec/Jan.