Nebraska 2018

[Mike Corgan]

Not that history repeats... Remember where Bob Devaney got his first big win as NU coach... the Big House!

The off season can make it happen... Unity

NU will be 3-0 confident heading to Michigan

 

[OhioHusker]

We need to find out what these players are made of before making a prediction. From what Moos said, there was obviously more going on than bad coaching. The start over doesn't just include AD and coaches, I'm guessing there are a fair number of players that need to go.

I think some of the problems from Pelini supporting players not buying in was real although I'm not sure how staunch the support will be for Riley. Either way, I don't get the sense Frost will put up with any of it and if players don't want to be here 100% they will be happily given an opportunity to play somewhere else.

A 100% restart has been needed for a long time and we're finally getting it.

 

[redfred]

We need to find out what these players are made of before making a prediction. From what Moos said, there was obviously more going on than bad coaching. The start over doesn't just include AD and coaches, I'm guessing there are a fair number of players that need to go.

I think some of the problems from Pelini supporting players not buying in was real although I'm not sure how staunch the support will be for Riley. Either way, I don't get the sense Frost will put up with any of it and if players don't want to be here 100% they will be happily given an opportunity to play somewhere else.

A 100% restart has been needed for a long time and we're finally getting it.

I really don't want to make a too bold of statement here, as I'm not sure what I've been told is on the mark, but FOR WHATEVER REASON the above just might hold a lot of water. The problems very well could have been systemic. It's hard to know where the problem starts or ends.....or who's to blame or who is not.

If this is the case it is best not to make an attempt to root out specific problems. It is usually best to move on......very, very firmly. Set a target and move in that direction. Those that want to will follow. Those who do not will slough off one way or another.

This will most likely mean casualties. There were probably some on the staff, and most likely will be some on the team. I hate this fact, but have never figured any way around it. It is really tough when someone/s get caught in the crossfire.

 

[SUHnami]

I do know this about the team, they weren't hitting the weight room like they should've. This is both on the players and the coaches to make sure they are fit to go for 4 quarters. This definitely wasn't happening this past season under Riley. There was a reason they were getting killed in the 2nd halves of games this year.

 

[Chris]

I do know this about the team, they weren't hitting the weight room like they should've. This is both on the players and the coaches to make sure they are fit to go for 4 quarters. This definitely wasn't happening this past season under Riley. There was a reason they were getting killed in the 2nd halves of games this year.

I had more hope for this guy. Attitude and energy seemed to be there...

 

[Red Storm Rising]

We need to find out what these players are made of before making a prediction. From what Moos said, there was obviously more going on than bad coaching. The start over doesn't just include AD and coaches, I'm guessing there are a fair number of players that need to go.

I think some of the problems from Pelini supporting players not buying in was real although I'm not sure how staunch the support will be for Riley. Either way, I don't get the sense Frost will put up with any of it and if players don't want to be here 100% they will be happily given an opportunity to play somewhere else.

A 100% restart has been needed for a long time and we're finally getting it.

Spot on

The negative carry over from Pelini was more significant that anyone outside the program could have imagined. It had a negative effect on the returning players, and that carried over to incoming players--the lack of effort in the 2nd half of 2016 and all of 2017 was appalling,

It will take time to know how many of the current players really want a restart vs more of the same. SF and staff will have to make that call on an individual basis and cull out those that are not interested in being here, or at least being here as a contributor.

I guess when BP poisoned the well on his way out of town, he got what he wanted

GBR

 

[cornstar]

I had more hope for this guy. Attitude and energy seemed to be there...

I've heard that it wasn't "Phillip" deal. He was doing his job, it was the edicts from above him that put the kibosh on a lot of things. I think that he got caught in the crossfire.

Spot on

The negative carry over from Pelini was more significant that anyone outside the program could have imagined. It had a negative effect on the returning players, and that carried over to incoming players--the lack of effort in the 2nd half of 2016 and all of 2017 was appalling,

It will take time to know how many of the current players really want a restart vs more of the same. SF and staff will have to make that call on an individual basis and cull out those that are not interested in being here, or at least being here as a contributor.

I guess when BP poisoned the well on his way out of town, he got what he wanted

GBR

Man, IDK about the bolded. While there may be some truth to this, I think it's a stretch to keep laying the blame on him 3 years after his ouster. Riley had 3 years to turn this thing around in the right way and didn't. I'm betting that we don't see those issues going forward.

That "lack of buy-in" falls square at the feet of Riley, Devaney, and those above them.

Plus, many of the things Bo said in his exit speech to the team were spot on.

 

[Blatz]

I don't hold the players accountable for much. Pelini's nonsense isn't a part of these current players.
Personally I think that Moos was referring to Harvey >>> Eichorst >>> Riley >>> Diaco/Langsdorf.

I still think we have some quality talent, actually I think we have quite a bit of talent. Frosty will get 'em
coached up and motivated. We may lose a few, but attrition will be the guys that weed themselves out because they can't keep up.

 

[redfred]

I knew almost (check that, make it absolutely) nothing about Mark Phillipp when he was hired. I couldn't even find out much about him. His strength and enthusiasm gave me hope however.

I will say that a strength coach never works in isolation. They usually meet the demands imposed upon them by others. This set of circumstances makes it very hard to truly evaluate a strength and conditioning coach imo.

Having said that, I'm going out on a limb (albeit a very large one imo) and say that with enough free reign Zach Duval might be a real fit for us. He has been here. He has been around. He seems to know his stuff. And he has proven results.

And if there is one thing that I see with coach Frost's assistants......none of them seem short on intelligence.

 

[Jarhead Husker]

I've heard that it wasn't "Phillip" deal. He was doing his job, it was the edicts from above him that put the kibosh on a lot of things. I think that he got caught in the crossfire.



Man, IDK about the bolded. While there may be some truth to this, I think it's a stretch to keep laying the blame on him 3 years after his ouster. Riley had 3 years to turn this thing around in the right way and didn't. I'm betting that we don't see those issues going forward.

That "lack of buy-in" falls square at the feet of Riley, Devaney, and those above them.

Plus, many of the things he said in his exit speech to the team were spot on.

There is no doubt that Pelini created an unhealthy culture at NU, and his parting speech trashing everything about the place in front of the entire team was an example of poor leadership. We know it caused some issues for Riley as the transition unfolded. However, to still blame Pelini for it 3 years later isn't legit, at least IMO. I can understand it during the 1st year, but it's Riley's job to assess and purge any problems that continued beyond that. If that was still a problem 3 years in, then that's an epic leadership fail that's on Riley. He should have known the effect that would have on things as he tried to move the program forward. But, sadly, I don't think Riley ever had a clue how to build a championship program. I think there is more than one coach's baggage causing issues with the NU football team culture. I think it started with the Pro mentality brought in by Callahan, fed by Pelini and Riley, and it has continued to this day. It's mediocrity, familiarity with losing and failure. It manifests itself as "ya we got slaughtered, but it happens to everyone, and I still loved how the season went". And also the "ya, we got beat 56-14, but we didn't quit, and I'm proud of that", and the "we won 9 games so we are all studs". It's Riley saying he's "the right person for this job" and "I like the direction we are heading" after having the worst season in over 50 years. It's a culture completely out of touch with a high performance, championship mindset, and it will take Frost time, tough decisions, and purging of some players, some of whom may be quite talented. Thank goodness the change starts NOW with Frost........

 

[Huskergod84]

I think if anything got proven over the last 3 years it was that it takes a lot more than people think to win 9 games every year. I hope that if Frost is able to accomplish that feat that we have the patience to stay the course. There were quite a few posters who down played the fact that Pelini had done that and according to most of them "anyone can come here and win 9 games every season its not that big of an accomplishment". I am not advocating for Pelini and saying he should still be here. I am just saying if in 7 years Scott is winning 9 games every season and we have played in 3 championship games that we realize its a pretty good accomplishment and we continue to support him and the team. I also dont expect that Frost will be acting the same as Pelini so theres that also.

 

[Jarhead Husker]

I think if anything got proven over the last 3 years it was that it takes a lot more than people think to win 9 games every year. I hope that if Frost is able to accomplish that feat that we have the patience to stay the course. There were quite a few posters who down played the fact that Pelini had done that and according to most of them "anyone can come here and win 9 games every season its not that big of an accomplishment". I am not advocating for Pelini and saying he should still be here. I am just saying if in 7 years Scott is winning 9 games every season and we have played in 3 championship games that we realize its a pretty good accomplishment and we continue to support him and the team. I also dont expect that Frost will be acting the same as Pelini so theres that also.

Good point. I was probably one of those who was not terribly impressed with 9 wins, but 9 wins sure looks good from where I'm standing now...... I do think it's a little harder than before to win 9 games, considering the improvement of some of the lower bracket Big10 teams. But, I know I'll never take 9 or 10 wins for granted like I used to. And, not telling the fans and the AD to F*** off WILL help buy Frost some more time if he plateaus at 9 wins for a few years....range:

 

[Mike Corgan]

A team's record is the measure for sure. For me, at this point its about winning the games that are supposed to be won and in a loss, how did it go.

As others have said, we are tired of being routed, and being humiliated.

Need to get back to being respected. The days when beating NU was cause for stupid celebration by the other school.

In a a 9 win season, if the 9 wins were against top 20 teams, not too shabby. 9 wins against weak opponents then, meh.

I'm with you, 9 wins should not be taken for granted.

 

[SUHnami]

A team's record is the measure for sure. For me, at this point its about winning the games that are supposed to be won and in a loss, how did it go.

As others have said, we are tired of being routed, and being humiliated.

Need to get back to being respected. The days when beating NU was cause for stupid celebration by the other school.

In a a 9 win season, if the 9 wins were against top 20 teams, not too shabby. 9 wins against weak opponents then, meh.

I'm with you, 9 wins should not be taken for granted.

Well we showed this year that 9 wins against any opponent is hard to attain regardless of whether said opponent is in the Top 25.

 

[Jarhead Husker]

Well we showed this year that 9 wins against any opponent is hard to attain regardless of whether said opponent is in the Top 25.

It's all because of the strain.......range:

 

[Red Storm Rising]

There is no doubt that Pelini created an unhealthy culture at NU, and his parting speech trashing everything about the place in front of the entire team was an example of poor leadership. We know it caused some issues for Riley as the transition unfolded. However, to still blame Pelini for it 3 years later isn't legit, at least IMO. I can understand it during the 1st year, but it's Riley's job to assess and purge any problems that continued beyond that. If that was still a problem 3 years in, then that's an epic leadership fail that's on Riley. He should have known the effect that would have on things as he tried to move the program forward. But, sadly, I don't think Riley ever had a clue how to build a championship program. I think there is more than one coach's baggage causing issues with the NU football team culture. I think it started with the Pro mentality brought in by Callahan, fed by Pelini and Riley, and it has continued to this day. It's mediocrity, familiarity with losing and failure. It manifests itself as "ya we got slaughtered, but it happens to everyone, and I still loved how the season went". And also the "ya, we got beat 56-14, but we didn't quit, and I'm proud of that", and the "we won 9 games so we are all studs". It's Riley saying he's "the right person for this job" and "I like the direction we are heading" after having the worst season in over 50 years. It's a culture completely out of touch with a high performance, championship mindset, and it will take Frost time, tough decisions, and purging of some players, some of whom may be quite talented. Thank goodness the change starts NOW with Frost........

I didn't mean to absolve MR of responsibility for this dumpster fire--I think Bo lit the match and MR, SE, BD had no idea how to put it out

The biggest issue MR had (IMO) was he just is not the alpha-male needed to be the HC a a P5 football program---when he let SE and BD tell him how to run his program, that ended any chance of success---can you imagine Nick Saben's reaction to an AD telling him who to offer a scholarship and who not to--or telling him how to conduct tackling drill--even who to have on his staff--Saben would be interviewing a new AD by the end of the day

By all accounts MR i a great guy--just didn't have what it takes to play on the big stage

GBR

 

[cornstar]

I didn't mean to absolve MR of responsibility for this dumpster fire--I think Bo lit the match and MR, SE, BD had no idea how to put it out

The biggest issue MR had (IMO) was he just is not the alpha-male needed to be the HC a a P5 football program---when he let SE and BD tell him how to run his program, that ended any chance of success---can you imagine Nick Saben's reaction to an AD telling him who to offer a scholarship and who not to--or telling him how to conduct tackling drill--even who to have on his staff--Saben would be interviewing a new AD by the end of the day

By all accounts MR i a great guy--just didn't have what it takes to play on the big stage

GBR

I think this problem is systemic and has been around since the end of the Solich regime.

It just got progressively worse through the years.

Bo wasn't the source, but he did pour his fair share of gas on to the fire.

 

[OhioHusker]

I'm not diminishing the 9 win threshold, however, Nebraska's schedule this year ended up being pretty weak and 9 wins should have been easily attainable. OSU and PSU were non starters, we all can agree on that. After those games, however,

Wisconsin is a good, tough football team. What Nebraska used to be. But other than that, who of consequence did Nebraska play? Oregon ended up being average, Iowa was just above average and the rest were teams Nebraska should have beaten.

A halfway competent coach could have gotten them to 7 wins and 9 was in no way unattainable with this group. Except of course we had Mike Riley at the helm and a defensive coordinator who is better suited to be coaching Ace Ventura at Shady Acres Mental Hospital.

9 wins is clearly not easy, but in the B10 West it should be a minimum standard.

 

[valiantsailor]

I'm not diminishing the 9 win threshold, however, Nebraska's schedule this year ended up being pretty weak and 9 wins should have been easily attainable. OSU and PSU were non starters, we all can agree on that. After those games, however,

Wisconsin is a good, tough football team. What Nebraska used to be. But other than that, who of consequence did Nebraska play? Oregon ended up being average, Iowa was just above average and the rest were teams Nebraska should have beaten.

A halfway competent coach could have gotten them to 7 wins and 9 was in no way unattainable with this group. Except of course we had Mike Riley at the helm and a defensive coordinator who is better suited to be coaching Ace Ventura at Shady Acres Mental Hospital.

9 wins is clearly not easy, but in the B10 West it should be a minimum standard.

Riley made the same mistakes made by others before him by having mediocre to bad co ordinators. Im not excusing Riley, simply stating the facts.

 

[valiantsailor]

I still think we have some quality talent, actually I think we have quite a bit of talent. .

I believe we will find out if we were short on coaching or short on talent or both.