Looking Back, Looking Ahead

[Huskers3n4]

Might be a long post, but I’ve been trying to make sense of this. Going to jump right in...

Bo Pelini; gave us 9 wins every season, even with the transition from Big 12 to Big 10.

2015 Mike Riley; posts a 6/7 record, biggest loss margin is 10 points. Three of those games decided by two or less points.

2016 Mike Riley; posts a 9/4 record! Starts season 6/0 until running into Wisc and Ohio St in back to back games. Drops last game to Iowa. But still a 9/4 season.

Then I clicked on individual stats for that season, and see names like:
T Armstrong Jr
T Newby
D Ozigbo
D Pierson-el
J Westerkamp
S Morgan Jr
B Reilly
D Brown for a kicker

Is it just me or does it seem longer than four years ago that we were fielding a team with that talent?

Point to make, that was talent brought in by Bo, and MR gets a great season with talented, experienced players.

2017 Mike Riley; posts a 4/8 record, with 6 conference losses. In his time here, opponents put up 50+ point wins 6 times. Four of those 50+ losses came in his final season, the last three games he coached were all 50+ point losses. Average loss point spread in six conference losses in final season, 26.1 points.

Riley Era
Points Scored / Points Allowed

2015 427 / 362
2016. 345 / 311
2017. 309 / 437

We’ve lost six conference games each of Scott Frost’s first two seasons. Average point spread in those losses are 14.3 and 16.3, respectively. Don’t like the fact there was an increase, but still far better than 26.1.

Only one team has put 50+ on us under Frost and company, and that was a ranked Michigan team, the third game of the first year.

I’ve been scratching my head like the rest of you with some of the things: swing passed consistently called, and consistently stalling drives, AM looking lethargic but remaining in the game, shotgun formation at the goal line, clock management.

But, I also remember that despite all the hype, we hired a coach with only two years head coaching experience. BUT, I don’t regret it and still think it was a great move. Take clock management, it’s something learned. Take a look at the UCF scores during SF tenure there, clock management wasn’t really something he had to worry about.

The way I look at it, the honey moon isn’t over, it’s just begun!

These last two years were the courting period. But now, with the contract extension, the marriage has been consummated. Two year honeymoon, only them can we evaluate if our choice of mate was good. I think we’ll find the answer to be yes!

In each of their coaching seasons, Iowa has been the last conference game, and Iowa has won all 5 of them. Against Riley, the loss margins were -6, -30, and -42. Against Frost: -3 and -3 each of those on last seconds of game FGs by Iowa to pull out the win.

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

Might be a long post, but I’ve been trying to make sense of this. Going to jump right in...

Bo Pelini; gave us 9 wins every season, even with the transition from Big 12 to Big 10.

2015 Mike Riley; posts a 6/7 record, biggest loss margin is 10 points. Three of those games decided by two or less points.

2016 Mike Riley; posts a 9/4 record! Starts season 6/0 until running into Wisc and Ohio St in back to back games. Drops last game to Iowa. But still a 9/4 season.

Then I clicked on individual stats for that season, and see names like:
T Armstrong Jr
T Newby
D Ozigbo
D Pierson-el
J Westerkamp
S Morgan Jr
B Reilly
D Brown for a kicker

Is it just me or does it seem longer than four years ago that we were fielding a team with that talent?

Point to make, that was talent brought in by Bo, and MR gets a great season with talented, experienced players.

2017 Mike Riley; posts a 4/8 record, with 6 conference losses. In his time here, opponents put up 50+ point wins 6 times. Four of those 50+ losses came in his final season, the last three games he coached were all 50+ point losses. Average loss point spread in six conference losses in final season, 26.1 points.

Riley Era
Points Scored / Points Allowed

2015 427 / 362
2016. 345 / 311
2017. 309 / 437

We’ve lost six conference games each of Scott Frost’s first two seasons. Average point spread in those losses are 14.3 and 16.3, respectively. Don’t like the fact there was an increase, but still far better than 26.1.

Only one team has put 50+ on us under Frost and company, and that was a ranked Michigan team, the third game of the first year.

I’ve been scratching my head like the rest of you with some of the things: swing passed consistently called, and consistently stalling drives, AM looking lethargic but remaining in the game, shotgun formation at the goal line, clock management.

But, I also remember that despite all the hype, we hired a coach with only two years head coaching experience. BUT, I don’t regret it and still think it was a great move. Take clock management, it’s something learned. Take a look at the UCF scores during SF tenure there, clock management wasn’t really something he had to worry about.

The way I look at it, the honey moon isn’t over, it’s just begun!

These last two years were the courting period. But now, with the contract extension, the marriage has been consummated. Two year honeymoon, only them can we evaluate if our choice of mate was good. I think we’ll find the answer to be yes!

In each of their coaching seasons, Iowa has been the last conference game, and Iowa has won all 5 of them. Against Riley, the loss margins were -6, -30, and -42. Against Frost: -3 and -3 each of those on last seconds of game FGs by Iowa to pull out the win.

Iowa was arguably a better team the last two years than all but one with MR.
I agree with the talent problems, its been fill this hole while that hole leaks, but always it seems just a little more water ending up in the boat.
I think this staff recognized that, and why all the RS's.
To be fair, but honest, MR tried to redshirt alot of guys,some he'd need,but not enough or that many, and those guys didnt get much for developement.
SF says he's doing it the right way, which means rsing guys you could really use, but don't

 

[NebSailor]

What I’m seeing reading your post is MR was just a terrible hire, BO was an average Coach, and The Program needs stability and continuity in order to take the next step up.

 

[Jimbosc]

We need stability yes but we need wins more. If Frost goes 3 seasons under 500.....I would be convinced he can't lead this team and needs to get fired. However....I don't think he will be unless it is completely wheels off beats down most of the season (which I do not expect). If Frost wants to control most of the decision making (staff, coaches, etc.) he has to get the Ws next season or Moos will take alot of that away...because frankly he had time to figure it out and didn't do it. So Moos will be forced to clean house without firing "his guy".

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

We need stability yes but we need wins more. If Frost goes 3 seasons under 500.....I would be convinced he can't lead this team and needs to get fired. However....I don't think he will be unless it is completely wheels off beats down most of the season (which I do not expect). If Frost wants to control most of the decision making (staff, coaches, etc.) he has to get the Ws next season or Moos will take alot of that away...because frankly he had time to figure it out and didn't do it. So Moos will be forced to clean house without firing "his guy".

I think we win next year, and those redshirted guys will be playing,even if some get redshirted again next year, as there should be enough in the cupboards finally.
O line depth, incredible.
D line depth, adequate coming off the most depth we've had in years.
LB, we will have depth, just not much redshirting.
DB, last place aling with qb to worry about.
RB, finally more than just two guys.
WR, depth like before, but hopefully contributors.

SF made early on decisions about redshirting, it cost the team, but now the dividends should start paying. The ability to recruit will keep the team ahead of the downwards spiral weve seen, and developing talent will make us a better team as well,add in better coaching, not currently a popular subject, but true nonetheless,we will soon be something we can all like.

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

Interesting,but I remember a coach saying something about year zero.....

 

[Jimbosc]

I think we win next year, and those redshirted guys will be playing,even if some get redshirted again next year, as there should be enough in the cupboards finally.
O line depth, incredible.
D line depth, adequate coming off the most depth we've had in years.
LB, we will have depth, just not much redshirting.
DB, last place aling with qb to worry about.
RB, finally more than just two guys.
WR, depth like before, but hopefully contributors.

SF made early on decisions about redshirting, it cost the team, but now the dividends should start paying. The ability to recruit will keep the team ahead of the downwards spiral weve seen, and developing talent will make us a better team as well,add in better coaching, not currently a popular subject, but true nonetheless,we will soon be something we can all like.

Agree looking at start of year 3 roster (with some adds still to be made) vs. start of year 3 under Riley..........seems unlikely we will go under 500 again. But I felt that way Year 2......due largely to making some assumptions the known issues we be "handled". We can't assume that now - which is why QB play, WR depth, LB depth and defensive coaching are getting hotly debated since the end of the Iowa game.

 

[TD4NU]

I think we win next year, and those redshirted guys will be playing,even if some get redshirted again next year, as there should be enough in the cupboards finally.

SF made early on decisions about redshirting, it cost the team, but now the dividends should start paying.

I know there was a decent amount but how many players did we actually RS this year?

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

Agree looking at start of year 3 roster (with some adds still to be made) vs. start of year 3 under Riley..........seems unlikely we will go under 500 again. But I felt that way Year 2......due largely to making some assumptions the known issues we be "handled". We can't assume that now - which is why QB play, WR depth, LB depth and defensive coaching are getting hotly debated since the end of the Iowa game.

We held iowa to iowa norms, but our offense and special teams played the iowa way for iowa, 3 n outs, bad field position, but dropped passes,bad passes too.
The D will be better, the LB core will just be improved accross the board.
Our depth at wr should be better, thats my one area of greater concern, first, did we just get bad players there from juco, which means first year no time to recruit, get that part, or, bad recruiting.
Hard to say as that room was filled with rookies, and Chase stepped up a little, just like Noa did compared to the jucos, but it wasnt enough.
Getting Manning, as I think we will, and if Manning is who we think he is,it'll help tremendously,add in Watts, a true high potential,plus peanut,chase et al, we will know next year how our wide out coaching is.
The qb play plays into the wide out scenario too, and AM looked more like TA than AM, that has to improve.
My only question on D coaching is our packages, where we have to adapt better at our nickle package,or even dime.
I think losing our starting safety affected this,plus our other safeties being hurt,and some red shirt decisions,timing of all that, and putting in those packages as the roster changed caught up with us, at least I hope it did, otherwise, we are still going to have problems in our pass D in 4 and 5 wide scenarios.
Otherwise,besides losing Darrion, we should be fine imo.

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

I know there was a decent amount but how many players did we actually RS this year?

I'd need to go into detail,which I havnt yet, but its at least 20
Someone I'm sure has a list, heres a link
Where things stand for Huskers and redshirts

 

[TD4NU]

I'd need to go into detail,which I havnt yet, but its at least 20
Someone I'm sure has a list, heres a link
Where things stand for Huskers and redshirts

WOW

If all of those players stay put, that's 28 on that list that can redshirt and play for us next season

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

WOW

If all of those players stay put, that's 28 on that list that can redshirt and play for us next season

It's like having or adding a whole recruiting class thats been redshirted, and many of them are highly rated, or, very good athletes.
Sore spot on who is Frosts guys right now for some, but, rest assured, all of those guys are Frosts guys.
Will it make a difference being a 'Frost' guy?

Well, theres AM, theres Mills, theres Wandale others as well.
I think it'll be more like having more JoJo potential than Eric Lee, both good players, but JoJo just better.
There'll still be misses, but at a higher level, plus always the few who just arent what the coaches thought.

 

[innmc]

With all the transfers and attrition last 4 years it's like we were on probation. We lost more players than Penn St did for crying out loud. Add in the ones who didn't even make it to campus or got here got in trouble and left right away.
Just a total rebuild.

 

[RED ED]

Might be a long post, but I’ve been trying to make sense of this. Going to jump right in...

Bo Pelini; gave us 9 wins every season, even with the transition from Big 12 to Big 10.

2015 Mike Riley; posts a 6/7 record, biggest loss margin is 10 points. Three of those games decided by two or less points.

2016 Mike Riley; posts a 9/4 record! Starts season 6/0 until running into Wisc and Ohio St in back to back games. Drops last game to Iowa. But still a 9/4 season.

Then I clicked on individual stats for that season, and see names like:
T Armstrong Jr
T Newby
D Ozigbo
D Pierson-el
J Westerkamp
S Morgan Jr
B Reilly
D Brown for a kicker

Is it just me or does it seem longer than four years ago that we were fielding a team with that talent?

Point to make, that was talent brought in by Bo, and MR gets a great season with talented, experienced players.

2017 Mike Riley; posts a 4/8 record, with 6 conference losses. In his time here, opponents put up 50+ point wins 6 times. Four of those 50+ losses came in his final season, the last three games he coached were all 50+ point losses. Average loss point spread in six conference losses in final season, 26.1 points.

Riley Era
Points Scored / Points Allowed

2015 427 / 362
2016. 345 / 311
2017. 309 / 437

We’ve lost six conference games each of Scott Frost’s first two seasons. Average point spread in those losses are 14.3 and 16.3, respectively. Don’t like the fact there was an increase, but still far better than 26.1.

Only one team has put 50+ on us under Frost and company, and that was a ranked Michigan team, the third game of the first year.

I’ve been scratching my head like the rest of you with some of the things: swing passed consistently called, and consistently stalling drives, AM looking lethargic but remaining in the game, shotgun formation at the goal line, clock management.

But, I also remember that despite all the hype, we hired a coach with only two years head coaching experience. BUT, I don’t regret it and still think it was a great move. Take clock management, it’s something learned. Take a look at the UCF scores during SF tenure there, clock management wasn’t really something he had to worry about.

The way I look at it, the honey moon isn’t over, it’s just begun!

These last two years were the courting period. But now, with the contract extension, the marriage has been consummated. Two year honeymoon, only them can we evaluate if our choice of mate was good. I think we’ll find the answer to be yes!

In each of their coaching seasons, Iowa has been the last conference game, and Iowa has won all 5 of them. Against Riley, the loss margins were -6, -30, and -42. Against Frost: -3 and -3 each of those on last seconds of game FGs by Iowa to pull out the win.

that is a outstanding post with a lot of info. it shows what happened to our program and how it is trending . we are getting better , but dammit we fell of the cliff and it aint east getting out. I beg for husker nation to THINK about all that ha happened in the last 10 yrs and especially the last 5. before the" fire everybody" and "they better" crap becomes the story and not what is happening or the work it will take our coaches to achieve success