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Will the BIG expand to get to 20 teams?

Florida State has already stated they want out of the ACC. Clemson does too because both schools can't keep up financially in the ACC and what they pay vs what the BIG pays their conference teams.

Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia Tech and Miami are academic fits and Virginia and UNC would improve BIG 10 basketball. Stanford also is an academic fit and often times leads the nation in all sports overall and one would believe BIG 10 money would improve their football program. Georgia Tech brings the Atlanta market and Florida State and Miami take the BIG into the state of Florida. All three push the BIG 10 into SEC country.

The independent whale out there is Notre Dame. They check all the boxes academically, athletically, regionally. The move to a 12-team playoff helps them remain independent but at what point do they fall behind financially compared to the BIG 10 and SEC?

Interesting stuff no doubt. Hard to believe the PAC is dead. That didn't take long to happen.
 
saturdaysarebetter said:
Will the BIG expand to get to 20 teams?
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It will automatically expand when Notre Dame realizes it can't make the Big Ten/SEC bucks on its own.
saturdaysarebetter said:
Florida State has already stated they want out of the ACC. Clemson does too because both schools can't keep up financially in the ACC and what they pay vs what the BIG pays their conference teams.
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The new B1G model is to control the national championship playoffs (and the $$$ that comes with it) with the SEC.

The two programs that are likely to be #1 on the B1G's list are Notre Dame and Florida State.
 
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Nope

Notre Dame and Clemson

Both are hard pulls for the B1G.
- Clemson used to be part of the SEC. They look and act like an SEC team. They are in the top 10 TV draws, so they can afford to be patient. Not like Washington and Oregon with their ship sinking.

- The only thing that will get Notre Dame to move is if they can’t put together a schedule. The B1G could play hardball on that issue but that is tantamount to shooting yourself in the foot.

- If the B1G tried to get Clemson and FSU, that would be a nice package
 
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If the SEC and B1G both expand to 20+ teams I'm thinking college football may become a two tier non-crossover sport. I can't see 3 non-con and 9 conference game schedules if there are 20 teams in a conference. There will be a playoff format and national championship crown for the B1GSEC and another for "all others." I also think the "All Other" League will probably be more intriguing and more in line with traditional college athletics. The B1GSEC is professional football...akin to Triple A baseball.

For all of those teams left out of the B1GSEC I am lowkey hoping they offer a big middle finger to those teams looking to fill out their schedule with "All Others" if the scheduling format does not change. I know that is unlikely because the almighty dollar drives everything and they will probably be offered too much to turn down an appearance against B1GSEC competition but one can dream. I hate all this realignment BS. It's not good for college football IMO.
 
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If the SEC expanded to 20+ teams, they would still only play 8 conference games and have November games against FCS opponents. Cowards.
 
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DrFumblerooski said:
If the big money doesn't do it, having the B1G and SEC put together their own national championship tournament, that will force ND's hand.
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I can't help but think that forcing ND into the conference is the endgame for the Big 10. By taking some of the heavy hitters off of ND's schedule, ND likely won't make the playoffs even with an undefeated record. Here are ND's opponents in 2024.

Texas A+M, Northern Illinois, Purdue, Miami Ohio, Louisville, Stanford, Georgia Tech, Navy, FSU, Virginia, USC, Miami

They're also going to quickly run into scheduling issues. Will ND play this game of chicken? Surely they can fill a schedule with low level teams, but will they risk being left out of the playoffs? Also, what will happen to their tv ratings and appeal when the Big 10 and the SEC are playing marquee games every week while ND plays the leftovers?
 
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RED ED said:
https://www.si.com/college/notredam...nd-the-pursuit-of-its-next-tv-contract-stires
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The article tried putting a positive spin on the fact that they could possibly renegotiate with NBC and an affiliate for -- at best -- $60 million, which would be at least 15 million less than what Northwestern will make.

And if the B1G and SEC decide they're big and powerful enough to negotiate for a national championship playoff for themselves, ND will be on the outside looking in.
 
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Paul Sullivan: Time to divide and conquer? Introducing the New Big Ten and Little Big Ten.

There’s no need for the Big Ten to stop after adding Oregon and Washington. Simply adding two more would-be Pac-12 refugees, Stanford and Cal, and he’ll have 20 schools that can be realigned into two separate, but moneymaking conferences — the new Big Ten and the Little Ten — both run by Petitti.

The New Big Ten would consist of the 10 schools with the most prestige, the ones you’d want to watch on NBC, CBS and Fox. With Ohio State, Michigan and USC at the forefront, it would rival the SEC as the most powerful conference and could send as many as four teams into an expanded playoff field.

The Little Ten’s conference games would mostly be relegated to the Big Ten Network. The best of the Little Ten would have a shot at winning a conference title and an at-large playoff bid instead of watching Ohio State or Michigan crowned in Indianapolis every December — and maybe someday it could replace the Pac-12 as a Power Five conference.

To make things more interesting, each Big Ten would have its own conference title game, played on back-to-back days in Indy. The winner of the Little Ten title would be promoted to the New Big Ten the following year, while the team with the worst record in the New Big Ten would be relegated to the Little Big Ten for at least one season.

Here’s how it would look to start off.

New Big Ten
— Ohio State: The Big Ten’s biggest and best brand with eight national championships

— Michigan: Winningest program in college football history with the greatest fight song

— USC: Tied for most Heisman trophies (7) with Ohio State, Oklahoma and Notre Dame

— Penn State: The most dominant program in the Northeast

— Oregon: Appeared in the national championship game in 2015

— Wisconsin: Six Big Ten championships since 1993

— Washington: CFP semifinalist in 2016 and ranked 26th in all-time wins

— Michigan State: Three Big Ten championships since 2010 and a CFP semifinal appearance in 2015

— Nebraska: Fallen on hard times of late, but is ninth on the all-time win list

— Iowa: Big Ten titles in 2002 and 2004

Little Ten
— Illinois: Rebuild on target under coach Bret Bielema

— Purdue: Managed to win the weak Big Ten West last year

— Indiana: Hoosiers always have 2020 to fondly look back on

— Stanford: Alums include Ernie Nevers, John Elway, Christian McCaffrey and Jim Plunkett

— Minnesota: Shared one division title in 2019, but lost the tiebreaker to Wisconsin

— UCLA: Haven’t won a Pac-12 title since 1998, but rivalry with USC remains must-see TV

— Rutgers: At least the New York-New Jersey market has a team

— Northwestern: Hazing scandal following 1-11 season spells disaster

— Cal: Still living off “The Play” from the 1982 game vs. Stanford

— Maryland: Never had a winning season in conference play since joining the Big Ten in 2014

Naturally, some of the Little Ten schools would cringe at the thought of being realigned to a less prestigious conference, but the sharing revenues from the new, $7 billion TV deal would make everyone happy.

And with Indiana, Illinois, Purdue and UCLA, the Little Ten would likely be the more dominant men’s basketball conference, while the New Big Ten would have the nation’s biggest women’s basketball star in Iowa’s Caitlin Clark.
 
DrFumblerooski said:
It will automatically expand when Notre Dame realizes it can't make the Big Ten/SEC bucks on its own.
The new B1G model is to control the national championship playoffs (and the $$$ that comes with it) with the SEC.

The two programs that are likely to be #1 on the B1G's list are Notre Dame and Florida State.
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I read the buyout for FSU and other ACC teams is $200 million and the rights to their tv runs to 2036, they are not going anywhere.
 
valiantsailor said:
I read the buyout for FSU and other ACC teams is $200 million and the rights to their tv runs to 2036, they are not going anywhere.
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Dennis Dodd on the radio this morning said the total figure to buy their way out might be as high as $350 mil... and supposedly there might be investment firms starting to sniff around college football teams, willing to foot such a large bill, for 30% or more upside - yikes!

And to think, Bowden said no to the SEC's offers to join more than once.
 
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